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California’s DMV Investigating Tesla Over Potentially Misleading Full-Self Driving Option
BY BRAD ANDERSON | POSTED ON MAY 18, 2021
CARSCOOPS.COM


The California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) is investigating whether Tesla has misled customers by advertising its full self-driving option, a system that isn’t even close to being fully autonomous.

Tesla charges customers an additional $10,000 for the ‘Full Self-Driving’ option and in fine print on its website acknowledges that the system “does not make the car autonomous” and that it requires “active supervision” from the driver.

Speaking with the Los Angeles Times, leading expert on automated vehicle law at the University of South Carolina, Bryant Walker Smith, said the fine print used by Tesla provides a weak defense against deceptive marketing allegations.

“Tesla seems to be asking for legal trouble on many fronts from the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) and its state counterparts for deceptive marketing,” Smith said. “From the California DMV for, potentially, crossing into the realm of autonomous vehicle testing without state approval, from competitors with driver assistance systems, competitors with actual automated driving systems, ordinary consumers, and future crash victims who could sue under state or federal law.”

While DMV spokesperson Anita Gore said the department is unable to comment on the pending review, she did state that if Tesla is found to have mislead customers, possible penalties include the suspension or revocation of autonomous vehicle deployment permits, as well as manufacture and dealer licenses.

This isn’t the first time that Tesla’s marketing of its ‘full self-driving system’ has landed it in hot water. In July 2020, a German court concluded that the company was misleading consumers about the capabilities of its autonomous systems, ordering the car manufacturer to cease the use of phrases like “full potential for autonomous driving.”

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I do think Tesla's marketing is misleading, but so are a lot of other companies.

I think the larger issue are the lawyers creating these mind-numbingly huge documents, absolving companies of wrong doing, that virtually no one reads. If they rule Tesla's fine print disclaimer isn't good enough, to me that will be ruling against all of this legal mumbo-jumbo crap. But since the legal system is made up of lawyers, the outcome is already determined - Tesla did no wrong as ruling the other way will be an indictment against lawyers.

But, pontificating aside, anyone believing the car can drive, unsupervised, by itself is a fool. It is blatantly obvious the technology isn't there yet.
 

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Tesla charges customers an additional $10,000 for the ‘Full Self-Driving’ option and in fine print on its website acknowledges that the system “does not make the car autonomous” and that it requires “active supervision” from the driver.
Every day, many times a day, I find myself asking myself, "How could anyone be so stupid as to do that?" Self has no answers, other than amazement and a sinking feeling of a civilization self-destructing by Idiocracy.

FULL SELF DRIVING OPTION. Good freakin luck in court. I wish I could say this idiocy is unbelievable. Unfortunately it's common now.
 

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Every day, many times a day, I find myself asking myself, "How could anyone be so stupid as to do that?" Self has no answers, other than amazement and a sinking feeling of a civilization self-destructing by Idiocracy.

FULL SELF DRIVING OPTION. Good freakin luck in court. I wish I could say this idiocy is unbelievable. Unfortunately it's common now.
We have become the movie idiocracy imo, the country has essentially gone full [email protected]#@!:p
 

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Every day, many times a day, I find myself asking myself, "How could anyone be so stupid as to do that?" Self has no answers, other than amazement and a sinking feeling of a civilization self-destructing by Idiocracy.

FULL SELF DRIVING OPTION. Good freakin luck in court. I wish I could say this idiocy is unbelievable. Unfortunately it's common now.
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It's just as amazing that more than a decade after the original founders of Tesla Motors, Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning, were unceremoniously kicked out of their company, the pyramid scheme that took root at that point is still going at Tesla. FSD is a perfect example of the scheme in action.
 
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I do think Tesla's marketing is misleading, but so are a lot of other companies.

I think the larger issue are the lawyers creating these mind-numbingly huge documents, absolving companies of wrong doing, that virtually no one reads. If they rule Tesla's fine print disclaimer isn't good enough, to me that will be ruling against all of this legal mumbo-jumbo crap. But since the legal system is made up of lawyers, the outcome is already determined - Tesla did no wrong as ruling the other way will be an indictment against lawyers.

But, pontificating aside, anyone believing the car can drive, unsupervised, by itself is a fool. It is blatantly obvious the technology isn't there yet.
You are absolutely correct. Lawyers absolving lawyers of wrongdoing. Surprise.
 

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Every day, many times a day, I find myself asking myself, "How could anyone be so stupid as to do that?" Self has no answers, other than amazement and a sinking feeling of a civilization self-destructing by Idiocracy.

FULL SELF DRIVING OPTION. Good freakin luck in court. I wish I could say this idiocy is unbelievable. Unfortunately it's common now.
What's stupid about wanting to build a fully autonomous driving car? It's called advancing technology, there are always going to be a learning curve.

Why can't people understand that the learning curve needs to take place? Do you expect it to be perfect right out of the box?
 

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What's stupid about wanting to build a fully autonomous driving car? It's called advancing technology, there are always going to be a learning curve.

Why can't people understand that the learning curve needs to take place? Do you expect it to be perfect right out of the box?
Bloody oath I would expect it to be perfect!!!!!!

It's a self driving 2 ton weapon it better be perfect or don't bother doing it
 

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Bloody oath I would expect it to be perfect!!!!!!

It's a self driving 2 ton weapon it better be perfect or don't bother doing it
Have you ever flown on a modern airplane? If you have then you shouldn't have a problem with the technology. Airplanes have been flying around by computer for 30 years.
 

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Have you ever flown on a modern airplane? If you have then you shouldn't have a problem with the technology. Airplanes have been flying around by computer for 30 years.
Not many un qualified numpties get to fly an airplane ;)

however a lot of them get their drivers license out of a corn flake packet
 

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Not many un qualified numpties get to fly an airplane ;)

however a lot of them get their drivers license out of a corn flake packet
Your point is relevant the fact computers have been flying airplanes for the better part of my life is just a precursor to computers driving 🚗 cars one day.

The point is that it doesn't matter who is behind the wheel. If you are ok with a airplane operating this way then a car should be no different.

Stop being a dinosaur. The future is coming.
 

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Your point is relevant the fact computers have been flying airplanes for the better part of my life is just a precursor to computers driving 🚗 cars one day.

The point is that it doesn't matter who is behind the wheel. If you are ok with a airplane operating this way then a car should be no different.

Stop being a dinosaur. The future is coming.
Of course its different

Don't be stupid there are millions of cars on the road if you;re ok with them piloting themselves into other cars and trees like they have been then there is no hope for you
 

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Of course its different

Don't be stupid there are millions of cars on the road if you;re ok with them piloting themselves into other cars and trees like they have been then there is no hope for you
It's sad that see the future will be better then today. Stop living in fear
 

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Bloody oath I would expect it to be perfect!!!!!!

It's a self driving 2 ton weapon it better be perfect or don't bother doing it
Logically-speaking, the standard for a self-driving system is not perfection. It only needs to be safer than the average human driver to improve the overall safety of the fleet. Of course, most of us tend to hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. We also tend to fear things we don't understand more than the things we understand even if the former is a lesser danger (e.g., acts of terrorism and mass shootings create hysteria even though they only account for a small % of homicides). So, in practice (and illogically), people will want self-driving systems to be much, much better than the average human driver to be acceptable.
 
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