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Caddy relies on model updates over product development


Jamie LaReau

Automotive News | August 25, 2008 - 12:01 am EST




Cadillac's wings have been clipped.

While General Motors wrestles with financial problems and analyzes higher fuel economy rules, the automaker has put on hold plans to develop a stylish Cadillac competitor to the mid-sized Mercedes-Benz E class, as well as the future of the Escalade SUV.

On the plus side, the CTS car will get more versions, a redesigned SRX crossover is on the horizon, and GM's high-mileage Volt technology likely will filter over to Cadillac.

Small sedan: Second time's the charm? The BLS sedan and wagon, developed on the front-drive Saab 9-3 platform, are sold in Europe but have been dismal failures. Few luxury-car buyers in Europe equate Cadillac with Mercedes-Benz or BMW.

Cadillac's next luxury small car will be built on GM's new rear-drive Alpha vehicle architecture. And this time, the BLS, if the name is kept, will be sold in North America.

The small Cadillac sedan will arrive late in 2010.

CTS: The 2009 and 2010 model years are all about creating a CTS model line. The 556-hp 2009 CTS-V sedan — V is Cadillac's performance designation — packs a supercharged, 6.2-liter V-8 engine that generates 551 pounds-feet of torque. A six-speed automatic transmission is standard.

The 2010 models will debut in the spring, highlighted by the CTS sport wagon. The 2010 CTS coupe will go on sale in the late summer or early fall of 2009. The coupe concept debuted at the 2008 Detroit auto show. A CTS restyling is not expected until possibly the 2012 model year.

DTS: GM had planned to end DTS and STS production around the 2010 model year, when a new flagship sedan was due. But that plan is on hold, so the DTS will "soldier on," as one source put it.

STS: Like the DTS, the STS will stay in the lineup unchanged.


Big sedan: Eventually the DTS and STS will be replaced by one model, a rwd sedan that will be more competitive with the Mercedes E class and BMW 5 series. While the car is certain, the timing is not — it may appear around the 2013 model year.

XLR: GM executives are debating the future of Cadillac's two-passenger sports car. Blame CAFE, high gasoline prices and disappointing sales of the current model. The XLR has been freshened for the 2009 model year, but the planned redesign for the 2012 model year is uncertain.

Plug-in hybrid: Sources say GM is studying the possibility of Cadillac's sharing GM's Chevrolet Volt technology, scheduled to debut in late 2010.

GM thinks Cadillac buyers are more likely to accept the steep price, estimated at $40,000 for the Chevrolet model. The car is penciled in for the 2011 model year.


Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT: GM's Two Mode hybrid powertrain is available for the 2009 Escalade and is identical to that offered in the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon hybrids. But the hybrid powertrain is not offered on the Escalade ESV or EXT.

The Escalade family's future is on hold until GM determines how the new regulations for corporate average fuel economy will affect GM's GMT900 truck program.

One option: By the 2013 model year, one or two of the Escalade versions on GMT900 could be replaced by a model or two developed on GM's fwd Lambda platform. The Lambda architecture — now used for GM's mid-sized crossovers, such as the Buick Enclave — would be stretched to develop any new models.



SOURCE: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.d...25/ANA03/808250306/1197/TOC&template=printart
 

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Re: AutoNews: Cadillac's "Wings Clipped"...

The STS getting a repreive does not suprise me. In fact I've advocated it as the best stop-gap for Cadillac.

But where they are going to build the DTS is still a mystery to me.

Can anyone help enlighten me on this? Can it and the Lucerene, which is also reported in Autonews to have been given an extension as well, be built alongside the Volt and Delta II cars?

Or, is going to be dualed with Epsilon cars at Oshawa or Farifax?


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This article does not make sense. The CTS competes with the E-Class and 5 Series. The new bigger Caddy that will take over for the STS and DTS will compete with the S-Class and 7 Series!!! Why don't these people know this?? Motor Trend already reported that the new bigger Caddy is almost completed, they were just tweaking the headlights because they looked too busy. The new "BLS" should be on the Alpha platform but I think should be named the STS and keep DTS for the bigger car. If they can more CTS up, they can move STS down. The XLR does not sell well because it needs to be overhauled to be like the CTS. A new grill is not going to cut it on that kind of car!
 

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There is a word in the article that bothers me, and it's a word that seems to be cropping up more and more, not just with Cadillac but with GM in general. That word is uncertainty. They better get certain about what they are going to do, it's not like they can flip a switch and start producing cars. These competitive cars need to be here yesterday....
 

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BLS sounds like a body function, some of these series designations are getting to be pret-ti ridiculous. Recently I told someone looking for a larger sedan to drive the G 8, and I was ask what the heck is that. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I see nothing wrong with names like Bonneville, deville, Roadmaster, and so and so and so,.....
 

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I feel more and more lately that management and product planning should take a valium and calm down. Some of their recent decision seem absolutely knee jerk, and borderline bi-polar.
 

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What I do not understand is why they do not just build the SLS for North America like they have in china. Give it a wider stance, some more technology and you have your DTS
 

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Using the Volt technology in a Cadillac... good idea.

Taking the Volt and making a Cadillac version of it... bad idea.

No Delta Cadillacs, please.
 

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Why not make the upcoming STS/DTS replacement a battery based Volt like product, done in the size of a luxury car. Heck, throw in hydrogen to show that Cadillac is the standard of the world. Rich people can afford a hydrogen station in their garage and most Hollywood stars would be all over it just because of this ability. GM might not make the big bucks out of it, but it would be the first vehicle seen at every Hollywood event.
 

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simple solutions for the time being

dump DTS entirely...
figure out, no matter the cost, the interior of the SLS for the STS.. it can soldier on quite nicely if given that interior
cts/SRX - awesome family of products... finally
XLR - GM either dump it and give us the CTS-V Coupe or get serious and redesign it with the next gen Vette. This death warmed over MCE (which is a stretch to even call it that) is unacceptable.
BLS - this would be a true 3 series fighter so it better have all the varients, couple, convertible, sedan, and hatch/wagon
'Slade - with gas prices what they are, just let it sit. No need to continue to pump dollars into it when the REST of the lineup needs the cash. Your cash cow has now become one of the biggest liabilities.

Then when, and if, GM gets its finances in order, they can go about replacing the DTS/STS with a bad-a$$ 7 series fighter and maybe making the 'Slade into some sort of crossover.
 

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Now is the time to bring the SLS interior to the STS. GM?! You messed up with the last MCE...fix it for 2010 and bring it out next spring. I realize current US crash standards will not allow for the lengthened chasis...but that shouldn't stop the interior refresh with the slick Chinese interior.
 

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DTS is still the sales leader. The people who buy it don't want a CTS V - even if fanboys love it.

I'd be interested in what they could do with an ohv V8 and perhaps a longer wheelbase.

You could give it that long hooded Mercedes look and it would still have the inherent mechanical efficiency of transverse engine mounting - even if you gave up some of the packaging efficiency to create a vehicle that appears to have a 'front mid' mounted engine.
 

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Why not make the upcoming STS/DTS replacement a battery based Volt like product, done in the size of a luxury car. Heck, throw in hydrogen to show that Cadillac is the standard of the world. Rich people can afford a hydrogen station in their garage and most Hollywood stars would be all over it just because of this ability. GM might not make the big bucks out of it, but it would be the first vehicle seen at every Hollywood event.
I agree with you
 

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"Cadillac's next luxury small car will be built on GM's new rear-drive Alpha vehicle architecture. And this time, the BLS, if the name is kept, will be sold in North America." Unbelievably stupid - how much money was spent on this arch. compared to the 3 series? Is it competitive now to the 3's, much less 4 years out? BMr doesnt miss with this sized car and they bet the company on every new version of the 3-series. Can caddy compete with this without breaking the entire companies back financially? NO, No, no......
 

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DTS is still the sales leader.
Not really. The CTS is outselling the DTS nearly 2 to 1. That, and the percentage of DTS's going to fleets is something like 20.

According to Automotive News Data Center, sales through July 31st:

DTS: 18,387

CTS: 37,252


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Wasn't the replacement for the G6 also supposed to be on the alpha platform. It really doesn't make sense to me to try to claim Pontiac to be the sporty division of GM and keep it on the epsilon platform
 

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Also, weren't we told that the XLR replacement was cancelled altogether and that the model would die when the next Corvette came along?


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Nothing new . But i don't get this. What will happen with MCE of new CTS? Wasn't there plan to make CTS even more upscale so it could definitely compete against new BMW 5, E class when they come? Sure it will maybe compete with them up until 300 + hp models. But i've read that mercedes is getting some new V8 with TT and around 430+ hp to come instead of 5.5 l v8. BMW is just waiting to put V8 TT in new 5.
 
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