Welcome, Denali24. Looks like someone has been up late into the night, channeling A Place Called Hope.
My take^Cars:
CT2 (Sub-ATS) ≈ 178" - Competitors: Audi A3 Sedan, MB CLA-Class
CT2-V (High Performance CT2) - Competitors: Audi RS3 Sedan, BMW M2- Available as sedan, three door hatch
CT3 (ATS) ≈ 185" - Competitors: Audi A4/A5, MB C-Class, BMW 3/4-Series
CT3-V (High Performance CT3) - Competitors: BMW M3/ M4, Audi S4/ S5/ RS 5, MB C63 AMG- Available as sedan, coupe, convertible
CT4 (CTS) ≈ 196" - Competitors: MB E-Class, BMW 5-Series, Audi A6
CT4-V (High Performance CT4) - Competitors: BMW M5, Audi RS7, MB E63 AMGCT4 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric CT4) - Competitors: Tesla Model S, BMW ActiveHybrid 5
CT5 (CTS coupe replacement) ≈ 196" - Competitors: MB E-Class, BMW 6-Series
CT5-V (High Performance CT5) - Competitors: BMW M6, MB E-Class AMGCT5 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric CT5) - Competitors: ?Note: Radical design like the first CTS coupe.
CT6 (Rwd XTS replacement) ≈ 203” - Competitors: Audi A8, BMW 7-Series
CT6-V (High Performance CT6) - Competitors: Audi S8, MB S-Class AMGCT6 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric CT6) - Competitors: Tesla Model S, MB S-Class P.I. Hybrid, Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid
CT7 (Ciel Inspired Full Size Sedan) ≈ 210” - Competitors: MB S-Class LWB, BMW 7-Series LWB, Audi A8 L
CT8 (Production Elmiraj) ≈ 205” - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe
CT8-V (High Performance CT8) - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe AMGCT8 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric CT8) - Competitors: ?- Available as coupe, convertible
CT9 (Sixteen Inspired Bespoke Ultra Luxury Sedan) ≈ 218” - Competitors: Rolls Royce Ghost, MB S-Class Maybach, Bentley Continental Flying Spur
- Available as sedan, four-door convertible
Sports Cars:
V (Production Cien based on Zora ZR1 Corvette w/ Bespoke Options) ≈ 180” - Competitors: Audi R8, BMW i8, Ferrari 458 Italia, Acura NSX
- Available as coupe, convertible
SUVs:
XT2 (Small Crossover) ≈ 172” - Competitors: BMW X1, Audi Q3, MB GLA-Class, LR Range Rover Evoque
XT3 (Compact Crossover) ≈ 184” - Competitors: BMW X3, Audi Q5, MB GLC-Class, Porsche Macan, Lexus NX, Lincoln MKC
XT3-V (High Performance XT3) - Competitors: Porsche Macan Turbo, BMW X3 M, MB GLC-Class AMGXT3 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric XT4) - Competitors: Audi Q5 Hybrid, NX hybrid
XT5 (Midsize Crossover, SRX Replacement) ≈ 192” - Competitors: BMW X5, MB GLE-Class, Porsche Cayenne, Audi Q7
XT5-V (High Performance XT5) - Competitors: Porsche Cayenne, BMW X5 M, MB GLE-Class AMGXT5 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric XT5) - Competitors: Tesla Model X, Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid
XT7 (Large Crossover) ≈ 202” - Competitors: MB GLS-Class, BMW X7
XT7-V (High Performance XT7) - Competitors: MB GLS-Class AMGXT7 E-Sport (Hybrid or Electric XT7) - Competitors: ?
Escalade (Escalade + ESV) ≈ 203” - Competitors: LR Range Rover, MB G-Class
About 42,384 Cadillac chief executives from now....Given Cadillacs glacial release pace, you might see this lineup by 2120.
No. It's called Delusion.Welcome, Denali24. Looks like someone has been up late into the night, channeling A Place Called Hope.![]()
Oh please. Over the last ten years Cadillac has gone from having two crossovers/SUVs - the SRX and the Escalade to having exactly 2 crossovers/SUVs - you guessed it, the SRX and the Escalade. Give how difficult it would have been a decade ago to figure out that the future luxury market would mirror the rest of the market and move strongly to crossovers and SUVs, the decision to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was probably a good one (that was sarcasm; just so you know).Have you sat down and tried to second-guess what NEW niches the opposition will move into.
Cadillac 2020 will need to compete with Audi 2020, BMW 2020 and Mercedes-Benz 2020, not their 2014 model ranges!
I vote for the Patriots Ballboy.Hey! I just noticed. Posters on GMI used to blame the UAW for absolutely everything. Every second posting demonized the UAW, noting that its outrageous demands were bankrupting the company (definitely not 4 decades of executive idiocy). What happened? Is it now the small dealers' turn? Who will it be after that? Suppliers? Trucking companies? The guy that plows snow in the parking lot?
Damn it! Forgot about him!I vote for the Patriots Ballboy.
Ok.CT3 (Sub-ATS) ≈ 178" - Competitors: Audi A3 Sedan, MB CLA-Class
CT3-V (High Performance CT3) - Competitors: Audi RS3 Sedan, BMW M2
OK. However, 185" really pushes the size in this class. You're looking at an Infiniti Q50 competitor.CT4 (slightly larger ATS) ≈ 185" - Competitors: MB C-Class, BMW 3/4-Series, Audi A4/A5
- Available as CT4 Sedan, CT4 Coupe, and CT4 ConvertibleCT4-V (High Performance CT4) - Competitors: BMW M3/ M4, Audi S4/ S5/ RS 5- Available as CT4-V Sedan, CT4-V Coupe, and CT4-V ConvertibleCT4-E (Hybrid or Electric CT4) - Competitors: Tesla Model III, BMW ActiveHybrid 3- Available as CT4-E Sedan, CT4-E Coupe, and CT4-E Convertible
OK. No AWD?CT5 (CTS replacement) ≈ 196" - Competitors: MB E-Class, BMW 5-Series, Audi A6
CT5-V (High Performance CT5) - Competitors: BMW M5, MB E-Class AMG, Audi S6CT5-E (Hybrid or Electric CT5) - Competitors: BMW ActiveHybrid 5, MB E400 Hybrid
Model S? Unless all electric, that ain't happening.CT6 (Rwd XTS replacement) ≈ 203” - Competitors: Audi A8, BMW 7-Series
CT6-E (Hybrid or Electric CT6) - Competitors: Tesla Model S, MB S-Class P.I. Hybrid, Porsche Panamera E-Hybrid
Length seems a bit long. SHouldn't compete with Panamera or A7. Competitior should also be Maserati GranCoupe.CT7 (Production Elmiraj) ≈ 200/205” - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe/CLS, BMW 6-Series C/GC, Audi A7, Porsche Panamera
- Available as CT7 Coupe, CT7 4-door CoupeCT7-V (High Performance CT7) - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe/CLS AMG, BMW M6/ M6 Gran Coupe, Audi RS7- Available as CT7-V Coupe, CT7-V 4-door Coupe
Add in the XJL and Quattroporte.CT8 (Ciel Inspired Full Size Sedan) ≈ 210” - Competitors: MB S-Class LWB, BMW 7-Series LWB, Audi A8 L
OK. This should offer a SWB and LWB version. This shouldn't compete with Mulsanne. Mulsanne is a $300,000 car. This will compete with Flying Spur, which is at the $250,000 price point.CT9 (Sixteen Inspired Bespoke Ultra Luxury Sedan) ≈ 218” - Competitors: Rolls Royce Ghost, MB S-Class Maybach, Bentley Mulsanne, BMW 9-series
F-Type is a 911 competitor. This is the wrong category.Sports Cars:
RT5 (Alpha-based Roadster) ≈ 165” - Competitors: BMW Z4, MB SLK-Class, Jaguar F-Type Cpe/Vert
- Available as RT5 Coupe, RT5 ConvertibleRT5-V (High Performance RT5) - Competitors: MB SLK-Class AMG- Available as RT5-V Coupe
OK.RT7 (XLR replacement Retractable Hardtop Roadster based on Z06 Corvette) ≈ 178” - Competitors: MB SL-Class
RT7-V (High Performance RT7) - Competitors: MB SL-Class AMG
Aventador? No.RT9 (Production Cien based on Zora ZR1 Corvette w/ Bespoke Options) ≈ 180” - Competitors: Audi R8, Ferrari 458
- Available as RT9 Coupe, RT9 ConvertibleRT9-V (High Performance RT9) - Competitors: Audi R8 V10, MB SLS AMG, MB AMG GT S, Lamborghini Aventador- Available as RT9-V Coupe, RT9-V Convertible
OK.SUVs:
XT3 (Small Crossover) ≈ 172” - Competitors: BMW X1, Audi Q3, MB GLA-Class, LR Range Rover Evoque
Discovery isn't in this class. Only Range Rover class cars should be here. This will be the "Evoque XL" that is coming.XT4 (Compact Crossover) ≈ 184” - Competitors: BMW X3, Audi Q5, MB GLC-Class, LR Discovery Sport
XT4-E (Hybrid or Electric XT4) - Competitors: Audi Q5 Hybrid
OK.XT5 (Midsize Crossover, SRX Replacement) ≈ 192” - Competitors: BMW X5, MB GLE-Class
XT5-V (High Performance XT5) - Competitors: Porsche Cayenne, BMW X5 M, MB GLE-Class AMG, Audi SQ5XT5-E (Hybrid or Electric XT5) - Competitors: Tesla Model X, Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid
OK.XT6 (Large Crossover) ≈ 202” - Competitors: Audi Q7, MB GLS-Class, LR Range Rover Sport
XT6-V (High Performance XT6) - Competitors: Porsche Cayenne Turbo, MB GLS-Class AMG, BMW X6 MXT6-E (Hybrid or Electric XT6) - Competitors: Range Rover Hybrid, Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid
INteresting. I can buy into that. Executive seating should be offered here too.Escalade XT7 (Escalade) ≈ 203” - Competitors: LR Range Rover, BMW X7, Audi Q9
Escalade XT8 (Escalade ESV) ≈ 224” - Competitors: LR Range Rover LWB
You really think Escalade can compete at the $200,000 price point??Escalade XT9 (Escalade ESV Presidential Edition - Bespoke w/ executive seating) ≈ 224” - Competitors: LR Range Rover Autobiography, MB G-Class
Good first post. Hope you have not been working on this list for the better part of three years since you joined us....Just curious what everyone thinks Cadillac's ideal lineup should look like 10+ years from now. Here is mine, which is admittedly extremely optimistic, even for 20 years out.
Cars:
CT3 (Sub-ATS) ≈ 178" - Competitors: Audi A3 Sedan, MB CLA-Class
CT3-V (High Performance CT3) - Competitors: Audi RS3 Sedan, BMW M2CT4 (slightly larger ATS) ≈ 185" - Competitors: MB C-Class, BMW 3/4-Series, Audi A4/A5
- Available as CT4 Sedan, CT4 Coupe, and CT4 ConvertibleCT4-V (High Performance CT4) - Competitors: BMW M3/ M4, Audi S4/ S5/ RS 5- Available as CT4-V Sedan, CT4-V Coupe, and CT4-V ConvertibleCT4-E (Hybrid or Electric CT4) - Competitors: Tesla Model III, BMW ActiveHybrid 3CT5 (CTS replacement) ≈ 196" - Competitors: MB E-Class, BMW 5-Series, Audi A6- Available as CT4-E Sedan, CT4-E Coupe, and CT4-E Convertible
CT5-V (High Performance CT5) - Competitors: BMW M5, MB E-Class AMG, Audi S6CT5-E (Hybrid or Electric CT5) - Competitors: BMW ActiveHybrid 5, MB E400 HybridCT6 (Rwd XTS replacement) ≈ 203” - Competitors: Audi A8, BMW 7-Series
CT6-E (Hybrid or Electric CT6) - Competitors: Tesla Model S, MB S-Class P.I. Hybrid, Porsche Panamera E-HybridCT7 (Production Elmiraj) ≈ 200/205” - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe/CLS, BMW 6-Series C/GC, Audi A7, Porsche Panamera
- Available as CT7 Coupe, CT7 4-door CoupeCT7-V (High Performance CT7) - Competitors: MB S-Class Coupe/CLS AMG, BMW M6/ M6 Gran Coupe, Audi RS7CT8 (Ciel Inspired Full Size Sedan) ≈ 210” - Competitors: MB S-Class LWB, BMW 7-Series LWB, Audi A8 L- Available as CT7-V Coupe, CT7-V 4-door Coupe
CT9 (Sixteen Inspired Bespoke Ultra Luxury Sedan) ≈ 218” - Competitors: Rolls Royce Ghost, MB S-Class Maybach, Bentley Mulsanne, BMW 9-series
Sports Cars:
RT5 (Alpha-based Roadster) ≈ 165” - Competitors: BMW Z4, MB SLK-Class, Jaguar F-Type Cpe/Vert
- Available as RT5 Coupe, RT5 ConvertibleRT5-V (High Performance RT5) - Competitors: MB SLK-Class AMGRT7 (XLR replacement Retractable Hardtop Roadster based on Z06 Corvette) ≈ 178” - Competitors: MB SL-Class- Available as RT5-V Coupe
RT7-V (High Performance RT7) - Competitors: MB SL-Class AMGRT9 (Production Cien based on Zora ZR1 Corvette w/ Bespoke Options) ≈ 180” - Competitors: Audi R8, Ferrari 458
- Available as RT9 Coupe, RT9 ConvertibleRT9-V (High Performance RT9) - Competitors: Audi R8 V10, MB SLS AMG, MB AMG GT S, Lamborghini Aventador- Available as RT9-V Coupe, RT9-V Convertible
SUVs:
XT3 (Small Crossover) ≈ 172” - Competitors: BMW X1, Audi Q3, MB GLA-Class, LR Range Rover Evoque
XT4 (Compact Crossover) ≈ 184” - Competitors: BMW X3, Audi Q5, MB GLC-Class, LR Discovery Sport
XT4-E (Hybrid or Electric XT4) - Competitors: Audi Q5 HybridXT5 (Midsize Crossover, SRX Replacement) ≈ 192” - Competitors: BMW X5, MB GLE-Class
XT5-V (High Performance XT5) - Competitors: Porsche Cayenne, BMW X5 M, MB GLE-Class AMG, Audi SQ5XT5-E (Hybrid or Electric XT5) - Competitors: Tesla Model X, Porsche Cayenne E-HybridXT6 (Large Crossover) ≈ 202” - Competitors: Audi Q7, MB GLS-Class, LR Range Rover Sport
XT6-V (High Performance XT6) - Competitors: Porsche Cayenne Turbo, MB GLS-Class AMG, BMW X6 MXT6-E (Hybrid or Electric XT6) - Competitors: Range Rover Hybrid, Porsche Cayenne E-HybridEscalade XT7 (Escalade) ≈ 203” - Competitors: LR Range Rover, BMW X7, Audi Q9
Escalade XT8 (Escalade ESV) ≈ 224” - Competitors: LR Range Rover LWB
Escalade XT9 (Escalade ESV Presidential Edition - Bespoke w/ executive seating) ≈ 224” - Competitors: LR Range Rover Autobiography, MB G-Class
The only places to go are down even further, more body variants for incremental volume, or some new, as yet unthought of type of model.Have you sat down and tried to second-guess what NEW niches the opposition will move into.
Cadillac 2020 will need to compete with Audi 2020, BMW 2020 and Mercedes-Benz 2020, not their 2014 model ranges!
I know Cadillac used to offered armored versions of its cars. I'm not sure if they still do.You brought up this idea of a "Presidential" trim. I do think Cadillac should offer a high level trim on its highest models (CT7-CT9, Escalade) with President or Presidential editions. POTUS cruises around all over the world in a Cadillac, so why doesn't Cadillac exploit that publicity?
Platinum should be relaunched as a bespoke line of options with a greater variety of "stock" interior choices and a full bespoke service, available on every Cadillac for a price and only as a made-to-order option on 3's and down.
They don't.I know Cadillac used to offered armored versions of its cars. I'm not sure if they still do.
It would be nice to have Cadillac create one for the armored market, similar to Mercedes S600 Guard. I believe BMW and Range Rover offer armored versions of their flagships.
I agree, Platinum needs to be relaunched, or Cadillac needs to launch a bespoke version ABOVE Platinum.
I can dig it.My take^
You brought up this idea of a "Presidential" trim. I do think Cadillac should offer a high level trim on its highest models (CT7-CT9, Escalade) with President or Presidential editions. POTUS cruises around all over the world in a Cadillac, so why doesn't Cadillac exploit that publicity?
Platinum should be relaunched as a bespoke line of options with a greater variety of "stock" interior choices and a full bespoke service, available on every Cadillac for a price and only as a made-to-order option on 3's and down.
They could. I mean all the tech used for the president's limo, should trickle down to a CT6 or CT8. Definitely an Escalade.They don't.
JLR offer a choice of the Discovery Sentinel http://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/711389_L319_15MY Armoured_6pp_tcm295-87393.pdf or Range Rover Armoured http://www.landrover.co.uk/Images/711389_L319_15MY Armoured_6pp_tcm295-87393.pdfThey don't.
It's not really tech so much as packing tons of **** between the prezzie and the godless heathens that might want to shoot at him.They could. I mean all the tech used for the president's limo, should trickle down to a CT6 or CT8. Definitely an Escalade.