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Uwe is a marketing guy, not a product specialist. If he said that the CT6 is a tweener, you either read between the lines meaning that it competes with the short-wheelbase 7 series and standard (long wheelbase) S Class or take what he said a grain of salt. The CT6 is going to compete directly with the elite short wheelbase models of its class so don't start making a big deal of what Uwe said by being in doubt. The CT6 will start in the 70K. Other than the CTS and ATS, this will be a true effort coming from Cadillac.

And I am going on a fence and say that I highly doubt that the refresh ATS and CTS will get a CT moniker. But yet Uwe said a redesign model or a brand new model will adopt a CT & XT moniker. Again, the story was not well written and should be taken a grain of salt.

If you go to the media GM website, they even said the CT6 will be competing with the elite models of its class.
 
Uwe is a marketing guy, not a product specialist. If he said that the CT6 is a tweener, you either read between the lines meaning that it competes with the short-wheelbase 7 series and standard (long wheelbase) S Class or take what he said a grain of salt. The CT6 is going to compete directly with the elite short wheelbase models of its class so don't start making a big deal of what Uwe said by being in doubt. The CT6 will start in the 70K. Other than the CTS and ATS, this will be a true effort coming from Cadillac.

And I am going on a fence and say that I highly doubt that the refresh ATS and CTS will get a CT moniker. But yet Uwe said a redesign model or a brand new model will adopt a CT & XT moniker. Again, the story was not well written and should be taken a grain of salt.

If you go to the media GM website, they even said the CT6 will be competing with the elite models of its class.
Isn't there supposed to be a mild ATS MCE late next year focusing mainly on the interior and perhaps with the adoption of the 8 speed auto across the range? The new CT# badged version is probably only 3 years away.
 
Isn't there supposed to be a mild ATS MCE late next year focusing mainly on the interior and perhaps with the adoption of the 8 speed auto across the range? The new CT# badged version is probably only 3 years away.
That is what I heard. Lets say if the ATS is heavily refreshed for '16 model year, which will give the refresh two-three years on the market. I suspect the redesign '19 model, at the most, will be here with the CT moniker provided that the second generation model is not push back for '20 model year. So it should give the current ATS a 6 year model cycle unless Cadillac will shorten it by a year which I somehow doubt same as for the CTS as well.

Have not heard anything about the interior changes though.
 
That is what I heard. Lets say if the ATS is heavily refreshed for '16 model year, which will give the refresh two-three years on the market. I suspect the redesign '19 model, at the most, will be here with the CT moniker provided that the second generation model is not push back for '20 model year. So it should give the current ATS a 6 year model cycle unless Cadillac will shorten it by a year which I somehow doubt same as for the CTS as well.

Have not heard anything about the interior changes though.
I read a quote by an engineer/designer or someone at Cadillac saying that they had a fix for the rear legroom problem in the current ATS, (and it wasn't just adding to the wheelbase) but maybe it was in reference to the second gen version. The interior redo isn't 100% but you have to wonder what the heck they are going to do for an MCE, considering the ATS just got an all new front end clip. Modify the tail on the sedan?

Everyone seems to complain about the instruments and supposedly there is a fix in the works for that, so I'm sure it will be part of the MCE. Maybe they are going to lighten the car some more, and also focus on improving mechanical refinement. Either way the next 3-series needs to up it's game, because if Cadillac can come as close as they have on their first attempt, imagine how good the next one is going to be.
 
I read a quote by an engineer/designer or someone at Cadillac saying that they had a fix for the rear legroom problem in the current ATS, (and it wasn't just adding to the wheelbase) but maybe it was in reference to the second gen version. The interior redo isn't 100% but you have to wonder what the heck they are going to do for an MCE, considering the ATS just got an all new front end clip. Modify the tail on the sedan?

Everyone seems to complain about the instruments and supposedly there is a fix in the works for that, so I'm sure it will be part of the MCE. Maybe they are going to lighten the car some more, and also focus on improving mechanical refinement. Either way the next 3-series needs to up it's game, because if Cadillac can come as close as they have on their first attempt, imagine how good the next one is going to be.
I agree the next model will be the beast and maybe be the standard bearer. I don't know how you feel but I like the current instruments in the dash of the car. It may not be the best looking or creative in class but it works and it is functional, I am not going to look at the instruments every time I drive, except of how fast I am going and gas mileage meteor.
 
Effort? You've posted 81 times in 11 years.
October 2013 to November 2014 is 11 years? Zouds, I've been missing something.

That's over 7 times a year. Phew! He must be absolutely exhausted. For sure he must have neglected his day job or his home life. His life is likely in ruins.:D
Seven times a munff. With a remainder of 3.
 
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I think it is obvious from what Uwe has stated that the CT6 is not a direct competitor to the LWB 7-series or probably the LWB S-class but it's definitely aiming for the SWB 7 Series and SWB A8. I like that cadillac is considering doing a bigger LWB car above and distinct from the CT6 to go after the upper echelon of German Luxury sedans.

How much must it suck to pay $200,000 for an S-class only to have your neighbor pull up the S550 for $93,000 and it basically looks identical to the casual observer. Cadillac won't have that problem.
 
From the article:

Uwe Ellinghaus doesn't like to see Cadillac explicitly comparing itself to German luxury competitors in its ads. But he's determined to see Cadillac adopt the marketing strategies used by those rivals, including his former employer, BMW.

The results of that drive will show up in April, said the 45-year-old marketing chief, when Cadillac unveils its range-topping CT6 sedan,
This isn't true. The CT6 was all but finished by the time Mr. Ellinghaus started at Cadillac.

October 2013 to November 2014 is 11 years?
MY BAD!

I deleted my comment. I thought I saw "2003".
 
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I don't understand how it's a tweener between 5 and 7 series. Reuss said its 8 inches longer than the cts making the ct6 203.5 inches. That's a couple inches longer than s class and 7 series. How are they not directly competing? Someone's lying.
The S-class is only available in LWB guise in the U.S. and is 206.5" long. The 7-Series is only a shade under 200" in SWB mode so I'm with you in that this tweener description is confusing. It's a tweener I guess if you compare it to the SWB and LWB Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-Series. Not sure how the 5 comes into the equation when its similar in size to the CTS but has a couple more inches wheelbase.
Uwe should have worded his comments better.

The bottom line is that the CT6 is a SWB flagship, albeit a little bigger than your typical SWB flagship, but that's what it is. It will be priced and sized like one.

All LWB flagships are around 206 in. and the CT8 will need to be there to check off the right boxes without compromise. Considering the size of the CT6, the CT8 will probably be notably longer than your typical LWB flagship as well.
 
I don't understand how it's a tweener between 5 and 7 series. Reuss said its 8 inches longer than the cts making the ct6 203.5 inches. That's a couple inches longer than s class and 7 series. How are they not directly competing? Someone's lying.
I think it is obvious from what Uwe has stated that the CT6 is not a direct competitor to the LWB 7-series or probably the LWB S-class but it's definitely aiming for the SWB 7 Series and SWB A8. I like that cadillac is considering doing a bigger LWB car above and distinct from the CT6 to go after the upper echelon of German Luxury sedans.

How much must it suck to pay $200,000 for an S-class only to have your neighbor pull up the S550 for $93,000 and it basically looks identical to the casual observer. Cadillac won't have that problem.
Excellent point. IMO, this is an opportunity for Cadillac to be special. The CT6 and CT8 will be two different vehicles, not one vehicle playing two roles as SWB and LWB flagship. It will allow Cadillac to offer a higher level of exclusivity and differentiation at the top of their portfolio. It's a great move.
 
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See what happens when I take someone's word as gospel!! Now I feel really bad, he must feel shattered making 7 posts a month;-)
That's right, trust NO ONE!!

And yes he may freel bad, unless he hangs out at MB, Bimmah, and Audi sites where all the finest smartest richest (the Good, the Rich, and the Wise as my old man used to refer to such) folks hang their hats.

MY BAD!

I deleted my comment. I thought I saw "2003".
You are VERY BAD!!

Santa will be bringing lumps of coal and switches to the megeebee household this sad sad Christmas!! :(:(:(:p:
 
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I think it is obvious from what Uwe has stated that the CT6 is not a direct competitor to the LWB 7-series or probably the LWB S-class but it's definitely aiming for the SWB 7 Series and SWB A8. I like that cadillac is considering doing a bigger LWB car above and distinct from the CT6 to go after the upper echelon of German Luxury sedans.

How much must it suck to pay $200,000 for an S-class only to have your neighbor pull up the S550 for $93,000 and it basically looks identical to the casual observer. Cadillac won't have that problem.
Excellent point. IMO, this is an opportunity for Cadillac to be special. The CT6 and CT8 will be two different vehicles, not one vehicle playing two roles as SWB and LWB flagship. It will allow Cadillac to offer a higher level of exclusivity and differentiation at the top of their portfolio. It's a great move.
Not an excellent point. It's not a bad move, but that's not a good point.

A $130k S550 is no slouch against a $175k S63 AMG. S550 as an embarrassment vs $200k S-Class is ridiculous. It's like saying an E63 owner must think it sucks that people drive E350s; upcoming CTS-V owners that CTS 2.0 Luxuries exist.

 
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Not an excellent point. It's not a bad move, but that's not a good point.

A $130k S550 is no slouch against a $175k S63 AMG. S550 as an embarrassment vs $200k S-Class is ridiculous. It's like saying an E63 owner must think it sucks that people drive E350s; upcoming CTS-V owners that CTS 2.0 Luxuries exist.

Okay I'll settle for "it's not a bad move" and hope one day that I actually do make an excellent point!
 
I was just checking the specs on the SWB Audi A8 and the wheelbase is 117.8" iirc and overall length is 202". I wonder how long the CT6's wheelbase is? The CTS is 114.6" around 5+ inches more than the ATS. So if Omega is a similar increase in size 119" sounds about right. Maybe it's not that long but has better packaging than the Alpha platform. The 5-Series has a 116.9" WB so I hope Omega is longer than that.
 
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