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Looks like the next generation might better step it up.



The Infiniti favors this:

What the Envision should have looked like.


What the Envision could have looked like, even dumbed down. At least they didn't name it Anthem, sheesh!
 

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The Infiniti favors this:
"Favors"?

It's a nearly line-for-line COPY of the Buick Concept.

I wonder if GM will sue?

But yes, the production "Envision" is pretty lame. Don't know how GM went from that Concept to this:



Still, the Chinese are fairly conservative in their tastes. Perhaps the Buick will do very well there. As for NA, I hoped for more.

When is the Encore due for replacement?
 

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Looks like the next generation might better step it up.


What the Envision should have looked like.

Buick has a glass ceiling with Cadillac above it.
 

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Right, so if Buick came out with that car, where would it be priced? Now Cadillac?

The only way it would "work" is if Cadillac's version was dramatically more, but then it would sell in such low volume, we'd ask why?
 

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"Favors"?

It's a nearly line-for-line COPY of the Buick Concept.

I wonder if GM will sue?

But yes, the production "Envision" is pretty lame. Don't know how GM went from that Concept to this:



Still, the Chinese are fairly conservative in their tastes. Perhaps the Buick will do very well there. As for NA, I hoped for more.

When is the Encore due for replacement?
The Chinese prefer softer, more rounded vehicles, so it makes sense that the Envision follows that design trend.
 

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Right, so if Buick came out with that car, where would it be priced? Now Cadillac?

The only way it would "work" is if Cadillac's version was dramatically more, but then it would sell in such low volume, we'd ask why?
Well, in a perfect world, CT6 and Avenir would appeal to different types of buyers if they're marketed correctly. One wants luxury along with status and prestige, and the other would appeal to a buyer looking for luxury at somewhat of a discount.

Now with that being said, and if Avenir reaches production:

1.) The two will never be marketed correctly and would end up competing with each other.
2.) They'd be sold in the same showroom at some dealerships, causing big trouble.
3.) It would be a cluster**** at the end any way you look at it, because GM.
 

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Well, in a perfect world, CT6 and Avenir would appeal to different types of buyers if they're marketed correctly. One wants luxury along with status and prestige, and the other would appeal to a buyer looking for luxury at somewhat of a discount.

Now with that being said, and if Avenir reaches production:

1.) The two will never be marketed correctly and would end up competing with each other.
2.) They'd be sold in the same showroom at some dealerships, causing big trouble.
3.) It would be a cluster**** at the end any way you look at it, because GM.
in a perfect world Buick would be a stand alone company and so would CADDY and CHEVROLET
 

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Encore needs the 1.6t and a upgraded interior / console setup and it will be at the top of the class again.
They should just drop the 5.3 into it. It'll get over 30 MPG and needless to say, power will be adequate.
 

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Let's just face it, car enthusiasts have come to expect concepts that reflect reality, not fiction. They see them as a presentation of what is coming, not what could be in a dream world. As manufacturers present concepts that are more and more production-ready, this anticipation increases. Buick follows this trend, has for a long time. The XP200, Park Avenue, Centieme and Invicta immediately come to mind. It is disappointing when they show a fantastic, game-changing concept like the Envision (especially for a model that has been anticipated for so long), the Riviera or the Avenir, and then do nothing or dumb it down so much when the production model appears. Buick has been great at making these transitions almost seamless, but the Envision was a miss.

When Buick enthusiasts must look to Opel and imagine waterfall grills on them, a bespoke Buick concept gives great excitement and hope. The reason Buick declined in NA was because it was left to die on the vine, so these presentations during Buick's revitalization are everything, and perhaps taken too literally. But isn't it fun to dream big with Buick again?
 

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Well, in a perfect world, CT6 and Avenir would appeal to different types of buyers if they're marketed correctly. One wants luxury along with status and prestige, and the other would appeal to a buyer looking for luxury at somewhat of a discount.

Now with that being said, and if Avenir reaches production:

1.) The two will never be marketed correctly and would end up competing with each other.
2.) They'd be sold in the same showroom at some dealerships, causing big trouble.
3.) It would be a cluster**** at the end any way you look at it, because GM.

"in a perfect world"...............

That doesn't exist; any coherent person knows cross-shopping of all sorts occurs in all kinds of ways.

Look at Ford and Chrysler, heck; Toyota, Nissan or Honda for that matter, they don’t have this problem. GM could manage the product for GMC (to be more like Hummer/Jeep) to not be a problem, but they can’t even manage to do that! So you are right, there is now way GM can balance this; Buick is trying to push up-market, Cadillac both; up & down - each brand looking at their own P/L statement.
 
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