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Nanotube filaments on the battery's electrodes
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But capacitors contain energy as an electric field of charged particles created by two metal electrodes. Capacitors charge faster and last longer than normal batteries. The problem is that storage capacity is proportional to the surface area of the battery's electrodes, so even today's most powerful capacitors hold 25 times less energy than similarly sized standard chemical batteries.

The researchers solved this by covering the electrodes with millions of tiny filaments called nanotubes. Each nanotube is 30,000 times thinner than a human hair. Similar to how a thick, fuzzy bath towel soaks up more water than a thin, flat bed sheet, the nanotube filaments increase the surface area of the electrodes and allow the capacitor to store more energy. Schindall says this combines the strength of today's batteries with the longevity and speed of capacitors.

"It could be recharged many, many times perhaps hundreds of thousands of times, and ... it could be recharged very quickly, just in a matter of seconds rather than a matter of hours," he says.
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Schindall thinks hybrid cars would be a particularly popular application for these batteries, especially because current hybrid batteries are expensive to replace.
Hat tip to silvachris1.
 

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Very cool, but don't get too excited about charging in "a matter of seconds". The problem is you can't supply the electricity that fast without having a huge current or a huge voltage (or both). A standard household outlet will still take a few hours to charge the car no matter what the battery pack looks like.
 

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I think in the short to mid term there will be a real market for "super-duper" capacitors for use as short term charge reservoirs to be used in parallel with batteries. Their purpose will be to reduce charge-discharge cycling on the batteries (improve battery life) and to provide quick bursts of power (these types of capacitors have much lower internal impedance than batteries). I think they will work especially well with regenerative braking.
 

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Very cool, but don't get too excited about charging in "a matter of seconds". The problem is you can't supply the electricity that fast without having a huge current or a huge voltage (or both). A standard household outlet will still take a few hours to charge the car no matter what the battery pack looks like.
But pay for charge stations could do it.
 

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maybe... it would be tough to make them dummy-proof enough to be safe enough for the public. also, a lot of heat would be generated in a quick charge like that, so the vehicle's cooling system would have to be pretty beefy i think.
Well I don't think there is any need for charging at that speed anyway. A 10 second 40 mile fill up does not need to be some sort of must reach goal. I've never filled up an empty tank in less than 4 or 5 minutes, so if they could get it to about the same time frame as filling a gas tank, it'd be great. That lowers the voltage and size requirement too.

As far as safety, gas burns, don't touch the end of it and all is good. Or maybe have depressed connections that are too far in to be touched by fingers.
 

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Well I don't think there is any need for charging at that speed anyway. A 10 second 40 mile fill up does not need to be some sort of must reach goal. I've never filled up an empty tank in less than 4 or 5 minutes, so if they could get it to about the same time frame as filling a gas tank, it'd be great. That lowers the voltage and size requirement too.
Even to put the energy equivalent of 1 gas tank in 4 or 5 minutes requires incredible amounts of power... The Volt has a nominal capacity of 16 kWh

to make 16 kWh in 5 minutes needs 320 kW of power... now imagine the power used by the biggest thing in your house... maybe a stove... that probably consumes max 3 kW (I pulled this number out of my butt) not over 300.

Hell the average powerplant usually has a capacity of say 5 MW, but you are taking 300 kW just to charge one car :lmao: And it only goes 40 miles maxi. To fill your tank for 40 miles that is barely 1 gallon, you can pump 1 gallon in... well 10 seconds or less not 300 seconds (as we are using in this example)



 

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Well I don't think there is any need for charging at that speed anyway. A 10 second 40 mile fill up does not need to be some sort of must reach goal. I've never filled up an empty tank in less than 4 or 5 minutes, so if they could get it to about the same time frame as filling a gas tank, it'd be great. That lowers the voltage and size requirement too.

As far as safety, gas burns, don't touch the end of it and all is good. Or maybe have depressed connections that are too far in to be touched by fingers.
I hope they use a modified version of the EV-1s inductive paddle. That charging station was a really nice addition for the garage.

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Even to put the energy equivalent of 1 gas tank in 4 or 5 minutes requires incredible amounts of power... The Volt has a nominal capacity of 16 kWh

to make 16 kWh in 5 minutes needs 320 kW of power...
hmm... you sure about this

16kWh * 60min/1hr = 960kWmin * 1/5min = 192kW

A standard US plug delivers ~1.5kW, so

960kWmin * 1/1.5kW = 640min * 1hr/60min = 10.7hr
 

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The problem with capacitors is that they don't store energy well over a period of hours - you can charge them up, but the charge will start bleeding away. Chemical batteries hold their charge for much much much longer.

Chemical batteries do have a limit to how fast you can charge them, so a capacitor may help absorb and reclaim excess energy from regenerative braking, which is a good thing.
 

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Super-Caps hmmm interesting. Super Capacitors are really good for short term power surges such as an electric motor during start-up. There exellent for fast charges and discharges. Great for power savings or help in battery charge for the main storage batteries such as the lithiun ion batteries. With super caps along with the lithium ion batts, they in synergy should help in extending mileage in between charges for an electric vehicle such as volt. Thus, the 40 miles on pure electric power may be increased by a few miles given that GM is not utilizing these type of super-caps in their Volt.

It's tough to gauge based on the information how much charge those super-caps will save without seeing the specifications of the super cap and the loads (electric motors) for the Volt type applications. There are other parameters that need to be looked at but I could bore you on those details.
 

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The problem with capacitors is that they don't store energy well over a period of hours - you can charge them up, but the charge will start bleeding away. Chemical batteries hold their charge for much much much longer.

Chemical batteries do have a limit to how fast you can charge them, so a capacitor may help absorb and reclaim excess energy from regenerative braking, which is a good thing.
One way to use a super capacitor array would be to charge it up quickly - say over several minutes - and then continue your long range trip on the highway by powering the motor and charging the battery from the capacitor. That way you minimize the time that the capacitor has to actually hold the charge.
 

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hmm... you sure about this

16kWh * 60min/1hr = 960kWmin * 1/5min = 192kW

A standard US plug delivers ~1.5kW, so

960kWmin * 1/1.5kW = 640min * 1hr/60min = 10.7hr
You are right. A 15 amp circuit in North America should not be loaded over 13 amps. 13A * 120V = 1.56KW. The Volt is designed with two 8 KWh Li Ion battery packs (16 KWh total capacity) but to prevent deep discharge of the battery it only use 8 KWh before needing to be recharged. 8KW/1.56KW = 5.13 hours or roughly 5 - 6 hours to recharge.
 

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The problem with capacitors is that they don't store energy well over a period of hours - you can charge them up, but the charge will start bleeding away. ...
This is not the only problem that capacitors have. The physics of a capacitor makes it a very poor choice for high energy storage. The energy stored in the electric field between capacitor plates is given by

E = 1/2CV^2,

where C is the capacitance and V is the voltage. A typical high-capacitance capacitor is the rectangular grey box that you see on a electric utility pole. [You might mistake it for a square transformer.] These capacitors are typically 1 farad. The electric utility uses them to filter out voltage spikes. For the sake of argument, lets pretend that automotive engineers can employ 21st Century technology to fit 100 farads of capacitance in an automobile.

Now, let us take 16 kWh as the energy benchmark. In SI units, this is 57.6 megajoules. To store 57.6 MJ of energy on 100 F of capacitance requires a voltage of 107 kV. We are talking about superhigh voltages with the attendant arcing and radiation dangers. The capacitor will need huge insulators and a lead-shielded case. To charge it to the 16 kWh energy benchmark, you would need a 107 kV source. No way would it be practical for automobile energy storage.
 

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They are also working on adding nanotech to Li-Ion batteries. They say the technology will increase a Li-Ion battery's life 10 fold. Meaning the Volt could get 400 miles on a charge before the generator kicked in.
Battery life is not the same as battery capacity. A longer battery life would mean that it won't need to be replaced as soon.
 
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