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But if you do intend to use the third row very often, to me it's unacceptable. The rear seats in the Mazda 5 are right up against the back window. If you get rear ended by a pickup, the kids in the back will be hurt over and above the whiplash everyone else suffers.
Only someone in the US would think of that.

They have these in Europe, and yes they have a fair share of large trucks (like delivery trucks). People get rear ended, and they survive.

Sometimes your worries of things not being safe enough are overblown.



 

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If this becomes the raging success their previous vans enjoyed, with their Rip Van Winkle development progress, then I won't be buying that GM stock I was looking at.

Meanwhile, if you need something NOW and you can't wait for GM to update their lines like a certain unnamed imbecile runs a war: http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research...=8651&year=2007&revlogtype=20&section=reviews
 

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We're finding out now this may actually be a Roewe MPV.

Whatever it is was testing inside Milford. However since SAIC is partnered with GM, it's possible a Roewe could be testing here.
I agree with this. The next gen Zafira should have the same basic Monocab design language that the New Meriva has.

What ever this vehicle is, I do not think it is the Zafira.

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If this becomes the raging success their previous vans enjoyed, with their Rip Van Winkle development progress, then I won't be buying that GM stock I was looking at.

Meanwhile, if you need something NOW and you can't wait for GM to update their lines like a certain unnamed imbecile runs a war: http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research...=8651&year=2007&revlogtype=20&section=reviews
The Rondo is functional but is also about the most akward and ugly looking vehicle on the market. I admit that GM is way behind the ball on efficient people movers (especially with convenient sliding doors) but I'd never buy a Rondo. I can't wait to buy a Zafira if it is fuel efficient enough and offers a 3 person 2nd row. Then I can park the wagon and save it for towing duties and use less gas in the meantime. Hopefully this van will have a diesel option. A very small DI turbo motor would be a good option as well.

This should be interesting.
Betcha this will be a Chevy... a Buick... a Saturn... a GMC... And we'll have 4 semi-rebadges... again.
Just like the Lambdas.
I agree this is a possibility and a worry of mine as well. I would hope they are smart enough to not give PBG more than one this time at the very least. For this product, a 7 passenger mini-minivan, I can see Chevrolet and Saturn getting one but not the other divisions. It doesn't seem to be a fit for a Pontiac, GMC, or Buick and certainly not a Cadillac. Lets hope there are 2 max.
 

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Only someone in the US would think of that.

They have these in Europe, and yes they have a fair share of large trucks (like delivery trucks). People get rear ended, and they survive.

Sometimes your worries of things not being safe enough are overblown.
You're definitely right to an extent.

But there are three notable differences between my situation and the typical European family.
1. While they do have big trucks just like the US, the average family vehicle is much smaller. My risk of getting rear ended by something the size of a Tahoe is probably 3 to 5 times higher than for a driver in Europe.
2. Because of the stupid*ahem* brilliant decision we made to follow the American Dream and buy a house in the suburbs, we do an incredible amount of driving. More time on the road just increases our risks of being in a crash compared to someone in the US or Europe that drives half as much. (We're seriously considering a move to cut way back on commute times, but of course it's a very bad time to try to sell our home.)
3. We're considering a fourth child. A Mazda5 can carry a family of six, but not a family of six, a baby carriage, a diaper bag, luggage, or groceries.
 

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This would be way better for Saturn than the current Outlook. But it said it was built on Delta platform, and then it said 7 passenger seating? I was just skimming through, but wouldn't it be better put on an Epsilon II?
 

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Glad they didn't build a Lambda minivan, because Lambda's are just too big to be people haulers. Chrysler downsized, yet maximized their minivan's, now GM does the same. The Japanese are now in a tough situation because the Honda is so big and puffy now it has no where to go larger; thus this market segment maybe more prone to be attracted to something this size rather than nearly fullsized offerings from the Japanese.
 

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With the new CAFE numbers we are all going to accept smaller vehicles, no surprise that the minivan is downsizing. I just can't wait to see the CHP and other California police agencies driving Cobalts and Focuses
 

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Glad they didn't build a Lambda minivan, because Lambda's are just too big to be people haulers. Chrysler downsized, yet maximized their minivan's,
http://autos.yahoo.com/chrysler_town_and_country_lx-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/chevrolet_uplander_ls_extended_wheelbase_1ls-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/honda_odyssey_lx-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/hyundai_entourage_gls-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/toyota_sienna_ce_fwd_with_7_passenger_seating-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/nissan_quest_3.5-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/saturn_outlook_xe_fwd-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/gmc_acadia_sle_1_fwd-specs/?p=ext
http://autos.yahoo.com/buick_enclave_cx_fwd-specs/?p=ext

The 2008 Town and Country is wider than every other minivan, the Outlook, and the Acadia. Only the Enclave is wider, by 0.1 inch.

The 2008 Town and Country is longer than every other minivan except the Quest and extended wheelbase Uplander (but it's much wider than the Uplander), and the Town and Country is also longer than the Outlook, Acadia, and Enclave.

Chrysler didn't downsize at all, they used clever styling to disguise the fact that they made the new minivans bigger than the old ones.
 

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I don't think it makes sense to offer it as BOTH Opel/Saturn and Chevrolet. I'd say Opel and Saturn should get it, while Chevrolet should keep the HHR and add a leisure activity vehicle/LCV in the mold of the Berlingo/Kangoo to replace the Opel Combo (could actually be built off the HHR or its replacement - or the replacement be a heritage-inspired Berlingo).

In case you're wondering - Berlingo:

 

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3. We're considering a fourth child. A Mazda5 can carry a family of six, but not a family of six, a baby carriage, a diaper bag, luggage, or groceries.
I just had the opportunity to ride in a Mazda5 today and ride in the 3rd row for 40 minutes. A VERY small 3rd row. And you'd be maxing out the cargo area with 3 paper grocery bags.

I think we'll max out at a family of 5 so if they made a Mazda5 type vehicle with 3 across the 2nd row it would work well for us. Can't they just import the current Zafira? Great looking vehicle.
 

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Can't they just import the current Zafira? Great looking vehicle.
Remember there's been an unofficial "war" declared us intelligent, rational, efficient people. Our existence flies in the face of the "non-negotiable" US lifestyle, centred around waste and excess. GM doesn't care about us enough to bring us the Zafira.

Meanwhile, Kia are selling twice as many Rondos as expected.

By the time GM get this model to market, I'll have already bought something else...
 
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