[gm4life08]

With the 2.7L having a few more HP and a $hit ton more torque, I don't see why anyone would choose the 3.6L V6 over the 2.7L Turbo. Especially down low where torque is king, the 2.7L is head an shoulders above it. The previous 2.7L turbo had a torque curve, shown below, that looked like a diesel curve...it was making 348 lb-ft of torque at 1500rpm and held that torque up to 4000 RPM where it started to taper off. The 3.6L V6 had a peak of 272 lb-ft at 4800rpm so you had to rev it to get that torque. I can only imagine what the new torque curve on the HO 2.7L is. I was a big promoter of putting the 4.3L V6 in the Colorado, but if I were to be given a choice, I would say the 2.7L would get my interest. Efficiency? ehhh...most people don't buy trucks based on efficiency. My Silverado with the 4.3L isn't very efficient...but I love it. Hell....the 2.7L Turbo makes more torque than the 5.3L by a bunch. I have yet to test drive one, but as soon as they hit the lot I plan on a test drive.

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I guess I fall into the I don’t care anymore camp.

It is a great engine is smaller applications… Cadillacs and new midsize trucks. I still didn’t want a 4 cylinder truck and like the smooth V6 just fine. Four cylinders in smaller vehicles all good. Still a midsize truck is pushing it for me.

Plus I wanted a V8. Honestly, the 2.7T is plenty stout but don’t try to sell full-size GM truck owners on it. They don’t want it. They rot on the lots in the Midwest around me. Literally. People buy ‘em on price if at all. V8’s and Duramax don’t last nearly as long on the lot.

I don’t care about power numbers when we are talking about 350 horsepower vehicles nowadays. I care far more about smoothness, longevity and resale. You can’t give the dam four popper full-sizers away used. New they rot on the lot. Do I care my 5.3L V8 is out gunned in the torque department, heck no. Let’s put them in straight line race the ‘small’ 5.3L still out accelerates it and gets virtually the same fuel economy. What is the advantage in the full-sizers? Aside of price nothing.

This will be fine for the smaller trucks but I don’t need convincing they are that well matched for the full-sizers.

 

[gm4life08]

Probably because it lines his pockets more to push you into a more loaded V8 model that they won't deal on vs a mid trim 2.7 with discounts.

My bet is they like happy customers. Plenty of mid-level trucks can have a 5.3L or Duramax. Chances are those are what owners want. That is why even during the inventory shortage GM had offers on the four banger.

Put them in the midsize models and leave the Duramax and V8’s for full-sizers. During the height of the shortage my little GMC dealer could relatively easily get four bangers. V8’s and Duramax demand and allocation were far harder to get. That says it all.

 

[MisterMe]

I thought it was named after Diesel Dave and the Diesel Brothers?

The Diesel Brothers are not actually named Diesel and they are not really brothers. As amazing as it may seem, Rudolf Diesel received the first patent for his concept of a high-efficiency heat engine in 1892. That was nearly a century before any of the Diesel Brothers were born.

No matter what the Brothers may tell you, the diesel engine is not named in their honor.

 

[Neanderthal]

Me too.

It's a guy's NAME!

Yeah! Vin would not be pleased.

 

[61BelAir]

I guess I fall into the I don’t care anymore camp.

It is a great engine is smaller applications… Cadillacs and new midsize trucks. I still didn’t want a 4 cylinder truck and like the smooth V6 just fine. Four cylinders in smaller vehicles all good. Still a midsize truck is pushing it for me.

Plus I wanted a V8. Honestly, the 2.7T is plenty stout but don’t try to sell full-size GM truck owners on it. They don’t want it. They rot on the lots in the Midwest around me. Literally. People buy ‘em on price if at all. V8’s and Duramax don’t last nearly as long on the lot.

I don’t care about power numbers when we are talking about 350 horsepower vehicles nowadays. I care far more about smoothness, longevity and resale. You can’t give the dam four popper full-sizers away used. New they rot on the lot. Do I care my 5.3L V8 is out gunned in the torque department, heck no. Let’s put them in straight line race the ‘small’ 5.3L still out accelerates it and gets virtually the same fuel economy. What is the advantage in the full-sizers? Aside of price nothing.

This will be fine for the smaller trucks but I don’t need convincing they are that well matched for the full-sizers.

That's what this post is about, the mid-size trucks. Other than the V8 Dakota from 20 years ago, and the 5.3L in the first gen Colorado, which was only available for a couple years, they have all been 4 cyl and V6's in the small to mid-size truck market. The current Ranger is exclusively a 4 cyl, the next gen Tacoma is rumored to be 4 cyl only as well. HP and torque are important to truck buyers and the naturally aspirated V6's can't come close to matching the torque.

 

[gkr778]

This will be fine for the smaller trucks but I don’t need convincing they are that well matched for the full-sizers.

That's what this post is about, the mid-size trucks.

+1
Richard Truett of Automotive News made the case for migrating the 2.7L L3B engine from T1XX Silverado/Sierra to Colorado/Canyon four years ago:

GM's 2.7-liter turbo engine is in the wrong truck

GM's 2.7-liter turbo engine is in the wrong truck Automotive News Richard Truett 10-10-2018 We all knew General Motors was taking a big chance slotting a four-cylinder engine in the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado pickup. There would have to be a very compelling reason for truck buyers to give up...

www.gminsidenews.com

 

[61BelAir]

+1
Richard Truett of Automotive News made the case for migrating the 2.7L L3B engine from T1XX Silverado/Sierra to Colorado/Canyon four years ago:

GM's 2.7-liter turbo engine is in the wrong truck

GM's 2.7-liter turbo engine is in the wrong truck Automotive News Richard Truett 10-10-2018 We all knew General Motors was taking a big chance slotting a four-cylinder engine in the 2019 Chevrolet Silverado pickup. There would have to be a very compelling reason for truck buyers to give up...

www.gminsidenews.com

When the 2.7L debuted in the Silverado in 2019 I immediately thought it needed to be in the Colorado, its a no brainer. Nothing against the 3.6L V6, but the Colorado should have had the 4.3L in it from the beginning. The newest gen 4.3L made more torque and it had a great reputation as a workhorse going back to the 80's. I'm a big fan of the 4.3L I have it in my 2017 Silverado....but in the Colorado, I think the 2.7L is the way to go. Would a V8 be great in the Colorado? Hell yeah...but its not going to happen. I probably shouldn't do it, but as soon as the 2023 Colorados hit the lots I plan on giving one a test drive. I'm hoping I won't like it as I know I would probably regret selling my Silverado.

 

[6cylinder]

People like what they like. For me the big v6. I also wasn't afraid to use the bed and preferred a regular cab smaller truck. My hill to die on already happened. Good luck, 5.3 people.

 

[wallus13]

They rot on the lots in the Midwest around me. Literally.

Where the heck have brand new trucks been literally rotting anywhere and/or anytime?? This would be a huge story if true.

 

[gkr778]

Where the heck have brand new trucks been literally rotting anywhere and/or anytime?? This would be a huge story if true.

I think gm4life08 is being figurative with the phrase "they rot on the lots". 😃

But the assertion that GM full-size LD truck buyers are not sold on a 4-cylinder engine is absolutely correct. Cox Automotive/Dealertrack data show that T1XX pickup trucks equipped with the 2.7L 4-cylinder gasoline engine (L3B) have much higher "days to turn" numbers compared to trucks equipped with V8 gasoline engines.

And this condition persists despite generous sales incentives that are specific to T1XX trucks with the L3B engine. As mentioned in other threads, GM's marketing dweebs tacitly acknowledge customer preference by omitting any mention of cylinder count and layout of that engine on the Chevy and GMC U.S. websites, instead using the phrase "turbo high output engine":

 

[wallus13]

I think gm4life08 is being figurative with the phrase "they rot on the lots". 😃

I'm assuming he literally doesn't know what the word literally means then.

 

[gkr778]

I'm assuming he literally doesn't know what the word literally means then.

Good point wallus13. Then again, "lot rot" is a real phenomenon so the use of the word "literally" may indeed be appropriate.

How to Prevent Revenue Loss Due to Lot Rot of Unsold New Cars

 

[61BelAir]

They are putting cash on the hood of the 2022 and 2023 Silverados with the 2.7L turbo. Keep in mind, they did the same thing with the 4.3L V6 trucks as well.

 

[gm4life08]

Where the heck have brand new trucks been literally rotting anywhere and/or anytime?? This would be a huge story if true.

Lot rot is real. Fine we will say collect dust so to speak. But yeah they have far slower inventory turns.

 

[gm4life08]

I'm assuming he literally doesn't know what the word literally means then.

We will say collect dust so to speak and collect dust they do.

 

[gm4life08]

I think gm4life08 is being figurative with the phrase "they rot on the lots". 😃

But the assertion that GM full-size LD truck buyers are not sold on a 4-cylinder engine is absolutely correct. Cox Automotive/Dealertrack data show that T1XX pickup trucks equipped with the 2.7L 4-cylinder gasoline engine (L3B) have much higher "days to turn" numbers compared to trucks equipped with V8 gasoline engines.

And this condition persists despite generous sales incentives that are specific to T1XX trucks with the L3B engine. As mentioned in other threads, GM's marketing dweebs tacitly acknowledge customer preference by omitting any mention of cylinder count and layout of that engine on the Chevy and GMC U.S. websites, instead using the phrase "turbo high output engine":

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Exactly as I meant to say. Thanks for ‘getting it’.

 

[gm4life08]

When the 2.7L debuted in the Silverado in 2019 I immediately thought it needed to be in the Colorado, its a no brainer. Nothing against the 3.6L V6, but the Colorado should have had the 4.3L in it from the beginning. The newest gen 4.3L made more torque and it had a great reputation as a workhorse going back to the 80's. I'm a big fan of the 4.3L I have it in my 2017 Silverado....but in the Colorado, I think the 2.7L is the way to go. Would a V8 be great in the Colorado? Hell yeah...but its not going to happen. I probably shouldn't do it, but as soon as the 2023 Colorados hit the lots I plan on giving one a test drive. I'm hoping I won't like it as I know I would probably regret selling my Silverado.

Oh the 4.3L would have been a honey in the mid-size trucks yet GM dumped in the 3.6L. Which was a fine motor. I just took issue with the transmission.

I would rather have a 4.3L over the 2.7T in a truck any day.

 

[wallus13]

Lot rot is real. Fine we will say collect dust so to speak. But yeah they have far slower inventory turns.

With how inventory levels have been, to get lot rot the dealer is either marking the truck up or flat out refusing to dealer trade.

 

[gkr778]

With how inventory levels have been, to get lot rot the dealer is either marking the truck up or flat out refusing to dealer trade.

Or the truck is equipped in a manner that the target customer base deems undesirable, which is precisely the case for 2022/2023 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra LD with L3B 2.7L 4-cylinder engine.

 

[wallus13]

Or the truck is equipped in a manner that the target customer base deems undesirable, which is precisely the case for 2022/2023 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra LD with L3B 2.7L 4-cylinder engine.

Nah, the market was so short on trucks they would have found a home no problem.