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yeah, I read it..... It wasn't the worse I have seen, but the main thing they didn't like was the price, and I agree with that....
 

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The photo AND the "3.5L" engine ..... :lol:

Update:
They've changed the stock photo now. The "3.5L" incorrect info is still there.



Forgive me for being harsh, but just stuffing a V-8 into the ole Bonne seems vaguely like plugging a Pentium V and some RAM cards into your five-year-old Packard Bell. You may have the speed and memory, but the performance will be kludgy. Like a lot of the supposed new stuff coming from Pontiac, the Bonneville GXP just seems like the best GM could do on short funds and without having actually planned a Cadillac-style makeover for the division four or five years ago. One may have to get a GTO or wait for the arrival of next year's G6, which replaces the Grand Am, before really witnessing any kind of rebirth.
Yep, that's pretty harsh. Blame Z-man for that. He who thought that Pontiac was best suited for the ill-informed consumer who just wants a car that looks fast.
 

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I agree with how many errors TCC made is poor writing and even worse editing. The picture on the home page is a Grand Prix and I started to look for news on the GP then I noticed the article on the GXP. I guess the editors can't tell the difference?
3.5?
Maybe it is some secret engine we don't know about? ;)
At least the writer realized the GXP is a good car,fast to market, made on a low budget, an improvement over the SSE, and a sign of good things coming from Pontiac.
The other nice thing about the review is the author states his bias in the opening and his conclusion changes at the end.
Yes the price is too high and the cars compared to the GXP are not in the same market.
3 Series and Bonneville?
Some type of sarcastic joke!
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the GXP have 12.7" front rotors and StabiliTrack, instead of 14" rotors and traction control? He also says it's just an engine package, but then goes on to list suspension changes made to the car. :kama:

This is as of my writing.
 

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$37,600 (automatic) as equipped!

I think a valid question is whether or not GM should be charging so much for a vehicle which is very similar to my 2000 Bonneville SSEi with a new engine & suspension setup. I bought mine for under 30K. It has 280 torque...

Actually, since the Bonneville shares its platform with the Cadillac Seville
http://www.elpasotimes.com/newcar/NewCarTe...bonneville.html

I consider this factor, too.

I don't know...I just think that the Chevy Impala / Monte Carlo SS and Pontiac GXP could be sold for thousands less, given that GM has long since paid for the R&D for the technology going into these cars (especially the SS'es that share so much with much older supercharged Regals). I don't know much about the Cadillac Seville, but I wouldn't be shocked to find that the Bonneville "borrowed" much, as the SS's borrowed from the Regal.

I was hoping to see pricing just above a Bonneville SSEi --- and since the SSEi hasn't changed much since 2000-3, neither should the price...I've hardly had a raise since then.
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At least the suspension setup and better - the exterior - has been changed dramatically, even if the interior is pretty much circa 2000. The Monte/Impala hardly changed at all.

http://www.carbuyingtip.com/car-reviews/ne...Bonneville.html

2000 Pontiac Bonneville
Model lineup MSRP
SE ($24,295); SLE ($27,995); SSEi ($32,250)

And you know you won't get any discounts on the GXP, at least not for a while.
 

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$37,600 (automatic) as equipped!

I think a valid question is whether or not GM should be charging so much for a vehicle which is very similar to my 2000 Bonneville SSEi with a new engine & suspension setup. I bought mine for under 30K. It has 280 torque...
As much as I love the Park Avenue Ultra, the GXP has a much better drivetrain, sportier, if not better (IMHO), styling, and, from what I've ready, a nicer interior. Granted, you can get some smaller sportier "premium" vehicles for similar prices or less, but the Bonny GXP offers very good performance in a true full-size passenger car, and it's a worthy vehicle that will be enjoyed by its owners. Rather than griping about the GXP's price, people should be more concerned with the Park's lack of Northstar power, for considerably more.

I don't know...I just think that the Chevy Impala / Monte Carlo SS and Pontiac GXP could be sold for thousands less, given that GM has long since paid for the R&D for the technology going into these cars (especially the SS'es that share so much with much older supercharged Regals).
The MSRP-rebate formula is still being applied here. The Impala SS is a lower-production vehicle, in theory at least, in comparison with the GTP and Regal GS. The conflict comes up when GM still has a harder time selling the GS, despite the fact that it is, IMHO, still the most attractive of the 3.8 SC bunch in terms of quality and value.

At least the suspension setup and better - the exterior - has been changed dramatically, even if the interior is pretty much circa 2000. The Monte/Impala hardly changed at all.
The Monte SC is the best driver of the ones that I've tried. The suspensions of the Monte SC and Impala SS are significantly improved over the MCSS and Impala LS. Don't get me wrong, I love them all, but the Regal GS is still the best deal for those willing to shop Buick for their sport/lux sedan. Plus, you can get the Monsoon stereo in the GS, instead of the "regular" stereo in the MC/Impala.

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Originally posted by Ghrankenstein@Nov 22 2003, 02:09 AM
At least the suspension setup and better - the exterior - has been changed dramatically, even if the interior is pretty much circa 2000. The Monte/Impala hardly changed at all.
The Monte SC is the best driver of the ones that I've tried. The suspensions of the Monte SC and Impala SS are significantly improved over the MCSS and Impala LS. Don't get me wrong, I love them all, but the Regal GS is still the best deal for those willing to shop Buick for their sport/lux sedan. Plus, you can get the Monsoon stereo in the GS, instead of the "regular" stereo in the MC/Impala.

Ghrank
The way I wrote that was misleading. I meant to say that the Monte and Impala sheetmetal hardly changed at all, while the Bonneville GXP changed for the better on the exterior.

I agree, the Regal GS is a very underappreciated vehicle these last several years. But isn't the suspension setup and wheel/tire combo on the Monte Carlo much better in the new Supercharged SS?

Let's see:
2004 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Supercharged
$27,135
3.8L V6
18/28 mpg
Curb Weight (Automatic Transmission) 3522
Tire Width
235
Tire Aspect Ratio
55
Tire Construction
Radial
Tire Wheel Diameter
17

Buick Regal GS
$28,810
3.8L V6
18/28 mpg
Curb Weight (Automatic Transmission) 3524
Tire Width
225
Tire Aspect Ratio
60
Tire Construction
Radial
Tire Wheel Diameter
16
 
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