You would, it couldn't actually be that these aren't good ponycars (they aren't). Honestly, the fact that everything comes down to quarter mile times and track numbers is what proves my point. Can you tell me which car was faster, the 68 428 Mustang or the 68 396 Camaro? I know, and realistically we both do, it's the Mustang. So, if we know that, then riddle me this batman. Why would half the Camaro enthusiasts on earth still crawl through Hell and nine feet of solid rock to have a 68 Camaro SS with a 396 4-speed under the hood since, using your 'logic', the 68 Camaro is a raging pile because it couldn't outrun the competition. Then ask yourself why the new cars can't manage that kind of loyalty or those sales numbers. Don't worry, I'll wait for you and Fenwick to take enough time to get what I'm saying.....and I understand that in both cases that may take a while.I'm calling this a case of "my team isn't winning, so the whole game sucks".