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do I need any more reason to look at a Mustang or Challenger now??



Ahemm...

You do know that the Charger will more that not, be built in Canada right? Where the ooohhhh soooooo "American" 300, Charger and Magnum are built, and the the ooooohhhh sooo "American" HEMI is made in...tada.....Mexico!

and the Mustang is built alongside Mazdas!

It's a global world, and I would like to thank both NAFTA and the UAW, both of them are at fault here, NAFTA for making it so easy to export jobs and the UAW for constantly giving them a reason too.
 
Aren't the LS1 and LS2 made in the States?
 
bfred said:
Made in Mexico, USA, China, Mars - it doesn't matter to me. But, if the rear end on the new Camero doesn't turn out to be much stronger than the last one, I'll shop for a different hot-rod.
First, it had better matter to you with the state of the current economy.

Second, I'm running 400rwhp on the motor with a stock rearend. If that isn't enough, add a 150 shot of nitrous (on top of the 400rwhp), drag radials and 3.73 gears ALL THROUGH A STOCK REAREND. I'd say the "last one" was pretty damn good.
 
The camaror will still end up with 80% if its parts domestically sourced, just like most GM and Ford vehicles. Toyotas source around 60% domestic parts. While I'd much prefer to see the Americans get the work, there isn't much hope in trying to retain low value added work in this country. If something is simple enough to build in mexico or china its going to go there. It's just a sad reality that the # of jobs that pay well for lower skill folks are rapidly drying up.
 
cpformula said:
First, it had better matter to you with the state of the current economy.

Second, I'm running 400rwhp on the motor with a stock rearend. If that isn't enough, add a 150 shot of nitrous (on top of the 400rwhp), drag radials and 3.73 gears ALL THROUGH A STOCK REAREND. I'd say the "last one" was pretty damn good.
I thought the economy was doing well? And if so, isn't part of the reason the economy is doing well is due to having products built in cheap labor areas and then sold here for a larger profit/lower cost than if they'd had the high labor UAW do it?
 
This decision was easy. Pay underworked, overpaid, unappreciative union workes to assemble an axle, or underpaid, overworked, appreciative non-union worker less than half what you would normally pay. Gee... Tough one!
 
This is another blow to my local economy. My next door neighbor works at the American Axle plant in Buffalo, and they gave up pay and benefits to keep their jobs. Now the company say thank you, and sends even more work to Mexico. Things like this make American companies seem evil, while the Japaneese look good for creating jobs in America. Also please dont call those workers underworked and underpaid, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. If you actually work for American Axle or GM, and feel that you are overpaid and underworked, then you can say something. If you dont work there, you should probably keep your mouth shut and continue asking people at your job "do you want fries with that?".
 
Gixx said:
Bring it on tough guy....this will be waiting for you at the border

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hahahahaha...awesome...



also...i dont think merging the us with cananda and mexico like europe did with the euro will have the same effect...something tells me that mexico and canada dont have the same economic impact as does britain, germany, italy france, spain, etc....
 
Cortazzo said:
While I'd much prefer to see the Americans get the work, there isn't much hope in trying to retain low value added work in this country. If something is simple enough to build in mexico or china its going to go there. It's just a sad reality that the # of jobs that pay well for lower skill folks are rapidly drying up.
Exactly. As I've said before, the auto manufacturers (and their suppliers) don't hate baseball, apple pie, or the American worker... but business is business; and when it's cheaper to send the work out of the country, then that's what's going to happen.

The alternative is that American Axle give the work to an American plant and either cut into their profit (likely pretty thin, anyhow; also pretty unlikely), or increase their cost to GM. At that point, the possibilities get uglier... either the company loses the contract altogether, GM cuts into THEIR profit, or GM raises the price of the car. It just makes sense to get it done as inexpensively as possible.
 
Cortazzo said:
The camaror will still end up with 80% if its parts domestically sourced, just like most GM and Ford vehicles. Toyotas source around 60% domestic parts. While I'd much prefer to see the Americans get the work, there isn't much hope in trying to retain low value added work in this country. If something is simple enough to build in mexico or china its going to go there. It's just a sad reality that the # of jobs that pay well for lower skill folks are rapidly drying up.
Surely you realize is ISN'T just low valued-added and unskilled jobs going offshore. Maybe to Mexico, but tons of high tech jobs have been moved to India, for example, and more are going all the time.
 
NEWS FLASH

1) The Mustang is made in a Japanese owned factory using parts from all over the world.
2) The Challenger will be built in Canada using global parts just like the Mustang.
3) The Camaro is going to be just as "American" as the other 2.

The UAW has made it impossible to make an all-American car anymore. No business man with a brain is gonna want to spend $5000 in benefits costs on a $25000 car when you can spend under $1000 making it somewhere else, and more efficiently at that.

Our greed and gluttony is our own achilles heel.
 
Saturn69 said:
I thought the economy was doing well? And if so, isn't part of the reason the economy is doing well is due to having products built in cheap labor areas and then sold here for a larger profit/lower cost than if they'd had the high labor UAW do it?
Depends on what you measure. By some indicators, the economy has been doing well, or was. House sales are tanking, Ford and DCX are in trouble with inventory, real wages are lagging cost of living, etc. There are red flags all over the place. Toll Brothers, builders of luxury homes that average just south of $700k each, have seen their orders fall by 48% over the past year. For sure the lower wage people are in trouble. With house prices falling and large numbers of interest-only mortgages due for a bump in interest rates, it doesn't look promising. No matter how you sliice it, you can't build or sustain a healthy economy by exporting jobs on the premise you'll import cheaper stuff for those lower paid, or unemployed people, to buy.
 
megeebee said:
I often wonder this too. Europe is now essentially one large federation, using a common currency. Would it work for North America? Interesting question.
The day we lose our (dollar) currency is the we start lose our identity as a sovereign nation. The "Amero" will be like the "Euro", so watch what happens to our Friends across the pond.
 
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