Recently, I tested the 2004 Acura TL. It was perfectly wonderful. The car represented a fast, smooth ride, but the only complaint was the price. We were figuring out about a good $40K for the car. Of course, I drove the one with all the stuff in it. It had a navigation system, and a whole bunch of other features packed in it. We easily made a 180 degree turn and the car felt so smooth. Then, the dealers started comparing it to the Lexus. 'Lexus doesn't really have the feel of Acura. They have old, outdated vehicles', the man said. They kept on pouring on the complaints about Lexus. I have to say this: The Acura TL is great, but the dealership service (forget it) they suck 100%. I will never go back to that Acura dealer again. They also were power-hungry for me to decide whether I was going to buy the car. For your information Acura: If I could afford the Acura TL, I would.