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http://english.vietnamnet.vn/biz/2008/07/792798/
96 Toyota Innova assembled with expired engines
16:10' 09/07/2008 (GMT+7)

VietNamNet Bridge – 96 Toyota cars have been found as having been assembled with engines left in a port for 2 years.

The manufacturer now has to contact the clients who bought the cars to negotiate compensations for its error.

In early 2006, a container of engines for Innova and Hiace model cars left the manufacturing workshop in Indonesia for Hai Phong port, and arrived in the port 2-3 weeks later.

The consignment of goods stayed at the port until February 2008 because Toyota forgot about it. It contained 89 engines for Innova and six for Hiace.

After discovering the consignment, Toyota Vietnam asked Toyota Indonesia about the quality of the engines and was told that the engines had been left for too long, six times longer than the maximum recommended time (90 days), and should not be used.

Nevertheless, the engines were still used by Toyota to assemble cars.
YEP.
Gives a whole new meaning to 'Just In Time':eek:
 

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heh wooops.
 

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Have you ever been to Indonesia or Vietnam? They are "developing countries" in many ways still. This is a pretty odd find.
 

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CKD snafus have been happening since CKD's were invented.

Australians were treated to the late '70s Datsun Stanza hatchback because the CKD packs were inadvertently shipped there instead of their intended destination of South Africa.

The Australian Chrysler Centura was built with bodies that sat on the docks for two years because local unions wouldn't handle French products in protest of French nuclear testing in the Pacific.

Still, this is odd because the engine is typically shipped bundled with the body in a CKD pack.
 

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Heh my family in the Philippines has an '05 or '06 Innova. I thought it was pretty sweet...nice interior.

It's like a minivan but RWD, turbo diesel, and manual trans...come on give Toyota a little credit for that one
 

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It's like a minivan but RWD, turbo diesel, and manual trans...come on give Toyota a little credit for that one
lol, no doubt, Toyota had a lot of sweet cars that never made it to the US. I was stationed in Japan and saw a lot or manual turbo RWD sedans that became boring AT only Lexus' here in the US.
 

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Wait....... hear it.......coming....... - three...... two....... one.......

Toyota City, we have.............. Spin off !

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/biz/2008/07/793143/

Toyota Vietnam talks about assembling cars with forgotten engines
15:57' 11/07/2008 (GMT+7)

VietNamNet Bridge – General Director of Toyota Motor Vietnam (TMV) Nobuhiko Murakami said at a meeting with the press on July 10 that the leaving of car engines at the port for a long time was a serious mistake in TMV’s operations.

Representatives of TMV once again confirmed that the cars assembled with the engines met quality requirements

He was straightforward.:lmao:

How could a consignment of 96 engines be left at Hai Phong port for more than two years?

It is because of weakness and shortcomings in the management of the import division.:lmao:

Why was the problem not reported in detail among relevant divisions?

He admitted that his company does not have an effective information system within the company as well as between the company and clients and sales agents.
:lmao:
Now, just compare this to the first post above.

After discovering the consignment, Toyota Vietnam asked Toyota Indonesia about the quality of the engines and was told that the engines had been left for too long, six times longer than the maximum recommended time (90 days), and should not be used.

Nevertheless, the engines were still used by Toyota to assemble cars.
Continuing on ......

Representatives of TMV once again confirmed that the cars assembled with the engines met quality requirements, saying that the preservation methods and technologies of the company can preserve the engines for a long time.

They said that in principle, there is no limit on storage time, and the quality of mechanical products depends on preservation conditions. The products can be damaged in under six months in bad preservation conditions, while they can last forever in good conditions.
The representatives say that all the neglected engines proved to have good quality, except one which was rusted because the nylon packaging was torn.
When asked why TMV would still give other cars to buyers or refund 10% of the purchase price, though the company confirmed the high quality of the sold products, Mr Murakami said that the problem has been really worrying clients, and TMV wants to do this to apologise.


TMV’s leaders have met 13 clients who bought the cars with the neglected engines and asked if they wanted new cars. Several clients wanted to keep their old cars. TMV will refund 10% of the cars’ value to the clients and provide specific treatment for the cars.


(Source: TBKTVN)
 

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They are very odd looking.....it reminds me of a bloated Focus wagon mixed with a 1st gen Odyssey. I have ridden in one though, they have nice room inside for not being too big outside. The one's in Indonesia don't have heaters...only A/C! ;) They are used a lot as taxis or shuttles.
 

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Front-clip looks definately like 1st-generation Prius...
 

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So that you can crash one into the other and erase both ugly faces? Ugh. Those are very awkward looking vehicles.
You think the current Innova (4th-gen) is awkward?

Here's the 2nd gen model...



The first through third generations were known as the Toyota Kijang (Kijang is a deer species native to Indonesia). They were built and sold under a variety of names in other markets; Venture (2nd-gen) and Condor (3rd-gen) in South Africa; Qualis (2nd-gen) in India; Unser (3rd-gen) in Malaysia; and Revo in the Philippines.
 

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heh I remember seeing the Revo

And as mentioned, I recall riding in the Innova, and looking long and hard at the climate control, and not seeing any provisions for heat.

The "D4D" turbo diesel, while I didn't get to drive it (I'd be scared to if you've seen the streets of Manila) seemed to have enough torque to move it along with 8 people on board and keeping it below 2k rpm
 

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Well, look at that.

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/biz/2008/07/793622/

The Vietnamese are showing more backbone of the right kind than the entire US Federal Government and US press establishment combined in dealing with Toyota.

Somebody really ought to get this to John Obama and Barack McCain before its too late.......

Watch, how the Vietnamese call them on all their BS.


Toyota’s assembly misadventure continues
08:09' 15/07/2008 (GMT+7)

VietNamNet Bridge – The explanation by Toyota Motor Vietnam’s (TMV) General Director Nobuhiko Murakami on why TMV assembled the cars with the forgotten engines has not satisfied the public.


Nguyen Manh Hung, Chairman of the Vietnam Automobile Transport Association, said that TMV has disrespected Vietnamese laws and disregarded Vietnamese consumers.



Hung said that Toyota would have to recall faulty cars in export consignments to the US or European countries. Meanwhile, in Vietnam, the manufacturer only offers swapping other cars for clients or making a present of 10% of the cars’ value.



A lot of questions have been raised about this case.

Why were the 96 engines, left for two years at the port, only used to assemble Innova J models sold to taxi firms, not Innova G models sold to individual clients at higher prices?



If the forgotten engines were assembled for Innova G cars, TMV would not be as composed as it is now after it successfully negotiated with clients, and no one threatened to sue.



If Vietnamese individual clients had to spend VND500mil to buy Innova G, they would not accept the settlement and compensation offered by TMV.



Meanwhile, it was simple to get taxi firms to accept the proposed compensation. The firms would be able to enjoy the price discounts, while they could get preferences on subsequent deals.



In India in early 2008, Toyota had to recall nearly 20,000 Innovas manufactured between April and October 2007 due to engines leaking oil.

That explained why TMV did not reveal the list of 13 clients who bought the special cars assembled with the forgotten engines



Local newspaper Tien phong’s reporters said that they have in their hands a document titled ‘Export problem report’ certified by Toyota Indonesia (TMI) engineers on November 30, 2007, which states that the maximum duration for the preservation of an engine is 90 days, not two years.



TMV General Director Nobuhiko Murakami on July 11 stated at a press conference that he was ready to argue with Vietnamese technical experts about the quality of the forgotten engines.



The director said that in good preservation conditions, engines could be in storage for 10 years or more and maintain good quality.:lmao::lmao:



However, Hung of the Vietnam Automobile Transport Association, a former senior automobile engineer, said that the statement was erroneous. Hung said that even in very good conditions, engines will automatically deteriorate as a result of physicochemical reactions. Engines, though covered with nylon packing, will not remain unaltered in Vietnam’s climate.



It is unconvincing to say that only one engine was rusty due to a damaged nylon cover, while the remaining engines still had good quality.



The most suitable action would be for TMV to recall the cars assembled with the questionable engines.



Nguyen Van Khoa, Chairman of the Vietnam Automobile Industry Corporation and Chairman of the Transport Mechanical Association, said that with no one caring for, lubricating or preserving the engines for two years at the port, the engines would have been rusted by sea water.
 

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I've got a question, Who really gives a s***??? Seriously, a Toyota error on a vehicle not sold in America, in a country that none of us care about.
 
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