[BlackGTP]

Just for fun, I removed the frunk on a Model 3 I rented from Hertz. It took about 10 minutes to remove and re-install it. When I returned the car to Hertz the frunk was in place just as was the case when I picked up the car; I wasn't about to have Hertz call law enforcement on me for frunk theft. 😃

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Certainly a lot neater and compact looking. I wonder which is easier to work on though.... I would presume GM's format, but that's just a guess.... And, has Tesla jammed some of the "plumbing" into other areas of the vehicle? Just questions to get to the truth - I don't know the answer. Tesla might be a somewhat different animal vs. the other manufacturers as I know at least from a crash/insurance perspective I've read that Tesla's approach is less about repairing/serviceability vs. being focused on the cheapest way to manufacture - that might hold true to servicing & fixing as well.

 

[Robert1969]

I don't have any experience in a Lyriq, only in an Equinox EV the "seat to floor" is noticeably short, and the rear cargo area is noticeably small, despite it being a fairly large compact CUV, larger than a typical ICE compact CUV, I'm not sure what GM did with all that gained space by filling-up the engine bay:

2025 Chevrolet Equinox EV › Dimensions
191″ L x 77″ W x 65″ H
26.4 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 57.2 cubic feet with the rear seats folded down

2025 Chevrolet Equinox › Dimensions
183″ L x 75″ W x 66″ H
29.8 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 63.5 cubic feet with the rear seats folded down

2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E › Dimensions
186″ L x 74″ W x 64″ H
29.7 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 59.7 cubic feet with the rear seats folded down
The Mustang Mach-E also features a front trunk (frunk) with an additional 4.7 cubic feet of storage

2023 Nissan Rogue › Dimensions
183″ L x 72″ W x 67″ H
36.5 cubic feet of cargo space behind the rear seats, and 74.1 cubic feet with the rear seats folded down

The 26.4 cubic feet don’t include the large cubby under the floor that can likely fit a golf bag making up for the lack of a frunk, which is likely larger than most frunks and is made possible by all the systems under the front hood instead of spread out under the car to make room for a frunk.

 

[JustinChase]

The 26.4 cubic feet don’t include the large cubby under the floor that can likely fit a golf bag making up for the lack of a frunk, which is likely larger than most frunks and is made possible by all the systems under the front hood instead of spread out under the car to make room for a frunk.

I was talking about the Equinox EV, but there is no way you can put a golf bag in the cubby under the floor of the Lyriq.

 

[gkr778]

The 26.4 cubic feet don’t include the large cubby under the floor that can likely fit a golf bag making up for the lack of a frunk, which is likely larger than most frunks and is made possible by all the systems under the front hood instead of spread out under the car to make room for a frunk.

I was talking about the Equinox EV, but there is no way you can put a golf bag in the cubby under the floor of the Lyriq.

JustinChase is correct. The "Cargo Management System" (as GM calls it) under the load floor of Lyriq is meant for the charge cord, retractable cargo cover when removed, and tire inflator kit. There's also a tub for storing assorted small items. It is not large enough to accommodate a bag of golf clubs.

From the owner's manual of my mom's '24 Lyriq:

 

[AWHoden]

JustinChase is correct. The "Cargo Management System" (as GM calls it) under the load floor of Lyriq is meant for the charge cord, retractable cargo cover when removed, and tire inflator kit. There's also a tub for storing assorted small items. It is not large enough to accommodate a bag of golf clubs.

From the owner's manual of my mom's '24 Lyriq:

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Who keeps the charge cord in the car all the time? Unless you're going to a friends house to charge or on a trip without charging stations, you charge at home where hopefully you've installed a wall-mount charger or where you leave your charge cord plugged in so you can...plug in or you charge at a station.

 

[JustinChase]

While I don't think the frunk is a big deal, I do think Cadillac should have one as most of the competition has one... GM's reasoning to not have one is most likely legitimate, but it ends up sounding like an excuse.

But, I would like to see the flip side of this and to Robert1969's point - what does it look like under those frunks - how packed together are all of those mechanicals? I'm assuming pretty jam-packed; how much will that cost me in labor hours if something fails and needs to be worked on? The competition has to have the same mechanicals and now they have less space to lay them out.

And I don't think it is as simple as taking a similar dimensioned vehicle and comparing the cargo volume. I'm pretty sure I remember the Chinese Lyriq does have a frunk, but it comes at the expense of faster charging that the North American version has. My memory could be wrong though....

I think I would use the frunk a lot, contains items from rolling around and out of sight.

Repairs related to labor hours/costs seems like a rather obscure hypothetical, especially considering the warranty terms of EV's.

FWIW, both the ICE Equinox and Rogue reference have "fast charging", but it is perplexing how small the Equinox is compared to the competition in the compact CUV segment.

 

[BlackGTP]

I think I would use the frunk a lot, contains items from rolling around and out of sight.

Repairs related to labor hours/costs seems like a rather obscure hypothetical, especially considering the warranty terms of EV's.

FWIW, both the ICE Equinox and Rogue reference have "fast charging", but it is perplexing how small the Equinox is compared to the competition in the compact CUV segment.

You might use a frunk, but we've all gotten around just fine without one. And the Lyriq does have the noted rear cubby, can't you use that to keep stuff from rolling around and out of sight?

I do not think labor hours is obscure. That warranty isn't free - their expected warranty repair costs is factored into the price of the vehicle. And eventually that warranty expires. Everyone is scratching their heads and going straight to the easy finger pointing "GM is lazy/stupid" line of thought, maybe true maybe not true. I've found in my life that generally stuff like this "frunk issue" has a reason.

Lots of reasons a vehicle can be bigger or smaller....

 

[AWHoden]

You might use a frunk, but we've all gotten around just fine without one. And the Lyriq does have the noted rear cubby, can't you use that to keep stuff from rolling around and out of sight?

I do not think labor hours is obscure. That warranty isn't free - their expected warranty repair costs is factored into the price of the vehicle. And eventually that warranty expires. Everyone is scratching their heads and going straight to the easy finger pointing "GM is lazy/stupid" line of thought, maybe true maybe not true. I've found in my life that generally stuff like this "frunk issue" has a reason.

Lots of reasons a vehicle can be bigger or smaller....

First world problems, right? Frunk? Who cares? I would never use one unless I owned an OG Beetle, 911, 914 or Corvair. They're a stupid gimmick that somehow makes people think that a well-designed vehicle is a POS because it lacks one stupid thing. It's the 1990's cupholder of the modern era.

 

[BlackGTP]

First world problems, right? Frunk? Who cares? I would never use one unless I owned an OG Beetle, 911, 914 or Corvair. They're a stupid gimmick that somehow makes people think that a well-designed vehicle is a POS because it lacks one stupid thing. It's the 1990's cupholder of the modern era.

I will say it is nice to have extra space, but I very much doubt many will make a buying decision based on frunk/no frunk. It's a chat board topic for discussion

However, I think GM should have a frunk simply because the competition does and to avoid these very conversations. GM shouldn't hand anyone a reason to criticize.

 

[GMInsideNews]

I totally understand those electric vehicles that are based on ICE platforms that have stuff sitting under the hood. The vehicles that are BEV that have DEDICATED platforms, I don't understand. It just makes me think they said the hell with the packaging. Those vehicles are missing an ENTIRE engine. Where has that space gone?

 

[mgescuro]

I totally understand those electric vehicles that are based on ICE platforms that have stuff sitting under the hood. The vehicles that are BEV that have DEDICATED platforms, I don't understand. It just makes me think they said the hell with the packaging. Those vehicles are missing an ENTIRE engine. Where has that space gone?

YUP! I have the same exact thoughts.
But to be fair, GM's not the only one that doesn't have a frunk either. They just package things in such a way that they use up all the space.

 

[Envoy4Life]

Only on GMI is cost cutting and ****ty engineering on a brand-new, from the ground up BEV for their flagship brand celebrated like it’s a good thing.😭

 

[AWHoden]

Only on GMI is cost cutting and ****ty engineering on a brand-new, from the ground up BEV for their flagship brand celebrated like it’s a good thing.😭

I wouldn't say it's celebrated but I will say that the Frunk/No Frunk "debate" is a little over-hyped. In the grand scheme of things, it's a non-issue. It's not poopy engineering, it's a choice. Somehow NOT having a feature makes a car a POS? No. Only on GMI would it be deemed a reason to burn the RenCen to the ground.

 

[AWHoden]

I totally understand those electric vehicles that are based on ICE platforms that have stuff sitting under the hood. The vehicles that are BEV that have DEDICATED platforms, I don't understand. It just makes me think they said the hell with the packaging. Those vehicles are missing an ENTIRE engine. Where has that space gone?

Relays, coolant pumps, HVAC components, PCM's, inverters. GM chooses to put theirs in a traditional "vehicle component" location so they don't have to put them in the passenger space. Sure, they could do a frunk but in the end, most frunks can hold, what, a book bag? A gallon of milk? Is that much space really that important to people? My friend has a Model 3 and he doesn't use his frunk - partly due to the fragility of the hood and the "don't push here" of it all, but mostly because he says it has a trunk which is where he's used to putting things and if he has something smallish he just throws it in the back seat. The only times he's opened it other than to show people is to fill the washer fluid.

 

[gkr778]

Only on GMI would it be deemed a reason to burn the RenCen to the ground.

GM didn't need any help from us to abandon RenCen! From April 2024:

GM will relocate headquarters from RenCen to Detroit's new Hudson's building

 

[AWHoden]

GM didn't need any help from us to abandon RenCen! From April 2024:

GM will relocate headquarters from RenCen to Detroit's new Hudson's building

I know that, it was a weak attempt at hyperbole.

 

[mgescuro]

Only on GMI is cost cutting and ****ty engineering on a brand-new, from the ground up BEV for their flagship brand celebrated like it’s a good thing.😭

There's some truth in that. But what else did you expect?

I think losing the plastic cover is a dumb move. I get cost cutting, but why is it necessary in a Cadillac, where that "cost" can easily be hidden in the higher price of the vehicle? That's the part I can't understand.

Yes, it ultimately doesn't matter. But to me, in a luxury vehicle, it's just a lack of attention to detail.

 

[09W]

I totally understand those electric vehicles that are based on ICE platforms that have stuff sitting under the hood. The vehicles that are BEV that have DEDICATED platforms, I don't understand. It just makes me think they said the hell with the packaging. Those vehicles are missing an ENTIRE engine. Where has that space gone?

It’s pretty obvious when you watch assembly vids of BE’s- their ‘platform’ still has to perform 100% of the function an ICV does- crash resistance, NVH, motor/battery loads, frt & rr suspension, weight loading… BE platforms are no ‘reinvention’ of a platform whatsoever. All the bile thrown at the Lightning is pretty lame once you realize the construction of a car/truck.

 

[JustinChase]

It’s pretty obvious when you watch assembly vids of BE’s- their ‘platform’ still has to perform 100% of the function an ICV does- crash resistance, NVH, motor/battery loads, frt & rr suspension, weight loading… BE platforms are no ‘reinvention’ of a platform whatsoever. All the bile thrown at the Lightning is pretty lame once you realize the construction of a car/truck.

You make it sound like GM told the body/chassis engineers to just design a vehicle like it will hold an engine, transmission and gas tank and we will put the EV parts in the available voids, which would defeat the purpose (and benefit) of a dedicated EV platform.

 

[09W]

The only 'benefits' are very minor allowances for the routing/mounting of BE components, the vast bulk of the structure is in the same locations, doing the same jobs. It has to.