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You made the claim but could not clarify to whom you were referring nor provide examples of any supposed flip-flopping of those opinions.
Is that your best sdotjeezy lie? I'll give you a few more mins to dig up something else....while you're doing that you might want to get ya boy LowRider to delete some of his posts from the Continental Coach edition thread....you know to keep up appearances.
 
Is that your best sdotjeezy lie? I'll give you a few more mins to dig up something else....while you're doing that you might want to get ya boy LowRider to delete some of his posts from the Continental Coach edition thread....you know to keep up appearances.
Okay.

Me: XT6 isnt a good buy because A,B, & C
You guys: XT6 rulz cuz Caddy bay-bay. We luv crappy FWD proportions 'cept when the Caddy is RWD and the comp is FWD then we think FWD proportions are crap.

Soundboutrite?

Anyway, I dont think what you presented is the case....I'm making what seems like a feeble attempt to get you to look at a vehicle unobjectively and appreciate it for its content and not the badge on the grille.
You were asked to provide support for your claim which you leveled against "you guys" (above) and "the same fans" (previous quote). Did you say you found your first example?
 
Is that your best sdotjeezy lie? I'll give you a few more mins to dig up something else....while you're doing that you might want to get ya boy LowRider to delete some of his posts from the Continental Coach edition thread....you know to keep up appearances.
Not sure, but if you're going to compare quotes based on FWD crossovers versus FWD luxury sedans you're comparing apples to oranges. Who cares about FWD versus RWD handling when you're talking about a crossover that sits way up on it's suspension. But you're going to play dense about the different market.
 
Not sure, but if you're going to compare quotes based on FWD crossovers versus FWD luxury sedans you're comparing apples to oranges. Who cares about FWD versus RWD handling when you're talking about a crossover that sits way up on it's suspension. But you're going to play dense about the different market.
So you'd be happy with a FWD Escalade.... (kidding)

You gotta be careful about dismissing everything he says out of hand,
RWD is important in certain situations but equally not so much in others.
 
Just to follow on,
we know that Cadillac set out with its cars to pursue German Luxury
but now it looks like that is less of a priority with Luxury SUVs,
the Germans and Land Rover have some interesting RWD Utilities
 
Just to follow on,
we know that Cadillac set out with its cars to pursue German Luxury
but now it looks like that is less of a priority with Luxury SUVs,
the Germans and Land Rover have some interesting RWD Utilities
I wonder what the cost analysis was when they compared using the Alpha vs D2xx platform? Seems like it would have been an easy decision to put your Premium crossovers on the Alpha and Omega platforms to compete against your direct rivals and let Buick stay on the D2XX platform and battle Lexus and Acura.
 
I wonder what the cost analysis was when they compared using the Alpha vs D2xx platform? Seems like it would have been an easy decision to put your Premium crossovers on the Alpha and Omega platforms to compete against your direct rivals and let Buick stay on the D2XX platform and battle Lexus and Acura.
You would think...since GM is taking a 3 brand approach, it would've made sense for Buick/GMC to take on Acura and Low-end Lexus while Caddy went against high end Lexus-Germans...but instead Cadillac is chasing the low hanging fruit to move units and downgrading their larger products to take on smaller cheaper German products and also to squeeze out GMs middle brands...they have no stomach for a fight.

Thank God that they didnt hose up the Escalade
 
Not sure, but if you're going to compare quotes based on FWD crossovers versus FWD luxury sedans you're comparing apples to oranges. Who cares about FWD versus RWD handling when you're talking about a crossover that sits way up on it's suspension. But you're going to play dense about the different market.
Thanks for proving my point
 
proves nothing except you like to argue
The conversation was civil until ya boy Syd<self edit> butted in and started lobbing Molotovs and pointing fingers...all I'm asking for is for some of you to take your Caddy colored glasses off and evaluate the 2 vehicles as they sit dollar for dollar and tell us straight up which is better. It's a comparison discussion right?
 
Not sure, but if you're going to compare quotes based on FWD crossovers versus FWD luxury sedans you're comparing apples to oranges. Who cares about FWD versus RWD handling when you're talking about a crossover that sits way up on it's suspension. But you're going to play dense about the different market.
One last thing and I absolutely promise that this is my last post on this line of conversation in this thread....read it or not, your choice. I'd like to point out your logic specifically.

I'm going to start with the given that the Sedan market is fading and that lux CUVs are the more popular segment...right?

So you're saying that GM making a RWD/more premium based offering in a fading segment is more important than using that same, more premium drive-train layout in a booming segment right?

Does that really make sense or are you just taking up that stance because it's Cadillac...you don't have to post an answer, just think about that for a little...or not I don't care.
 
The conversation was civil until ya boy Syd<self edit> butted in and started lobbing Molotovs and pointing fingers...all I'm asking for is for some of you to take your Caddy colored glasses off and evaluate the 2 vehicles as they sit dollar for dollar and tell us straight up which is better. It's a comparison discussion right?
I don't think anybody has said the XT6 is better. But it's far from the disaster that you paint it to be. In it's market it will do fine IMO. Time will tell.
 
I wonder what the cost analysis was when they compared using the Alpha vs D2xx platform? Seems like it would have been an easy decision to put your Premium crossovers on the Alpha and Omega platforms to compete against your direct rivals and let Buick stay on the D2XX platform and battle Lexus and Acura.
If reports are true, Alpha and Omega are finished; they're not a part of GM's Flexible Vehicle Set Strategy which is targeted to be in full effect by 2025. See the chart below.



Cadillac somehow seriously misjudged their CUV/SUV vs car mix. Here's my theory as to why the first XT6 is on C1, mimicked the interior of the XT5 and, in many respects, comes across as merely good enough; and why it's continually referred to as a stop-gap product.

By the time Cadillac determined to do something about their dearth of utilities VSS was instituted leaving a relatively small window of time to develop new product on existing platforms that were essentially considered dead to GM (which is reportedly the reason the gen 7, Alpha 2-based Camaro had its plug pulled). In that predicament, Cadillac's quickest and cheapest route to a desperately needed product (that would only see a single generation on a discontinued platform) would have been C1, as opposed to investing far greater time and budget to develop all-new crossovers from Alpha or Omega which also, sadly, have one foot in the grave. I presume that's also why Cadillac chose to Xerox the XT5's interior rather than divert their talent away from the pending VSS products (which notably integrate EVs).

I figure GM is being rather militant with regard to their VSS and has put strict limits on product development that doesn't relate. VSS could possibly also explain the CTS/CT5 and ATS/CT4 commonalities and maybe even some of the friction with Johan. For example, VSS-R is slated to replace Alpha and Omega as well as serve as the corporate RWD platform for cars (and crossovers?), while VSS-S be the corporate SUV platform. The tremendous effort to make Cadillac unique and exceptional with Alpha and Omega will be gone. VSS-R will no doubt be excellent but will Cadillac be afforded an opportunity to infuse their product with their engineering prowess and do something special to set them apart, to make them fundamentally better? Cadillac still has their engines but, alas, they're aiming to go full EV.

Time will tell. But for anyone that thinks this first-gen XT6 indicates Cadillac's ultimate aim or somehow defines their future course, they obviously haven't been paying attention to the obvious.
 
The XT6 is okay looking...not much better looking than a Palisade limited which is more a XT6 competitor IMO than the Lincoln. The Lincoln, is going to make some serious inroads with GLS/X7 potential customers while the XT6 is looking to draw in XT5 customers.
Ok not to derail this thread but I have been dying to know since I haven't really followed the auto industry as closely as I used to but why is every auto mag and website acting like the Palisade and Telluride are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have even seem youtube videos comparing the new Aviator to the Telluride. Am I missing something here?
follow The bribes.
 
The XT6 is a stopgap machine before an all new RWD platform for cars and SUV's arrives. On that note, I've also read that their planning on putting a detuned version of the 3.0 twin turbo which is alot more refined in the XT6 as well as the XT5. I like the exterior looks of the XT6, but the interior of the Aviator is nicer than the Caddies.
 
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