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2019 Silverado "Revolutionary Enhancement" wheelbase/cab/box rationalization.

2019 “MCE” of K2xx can be revolutionary by creatively employing tools ‘we already have’ in the K2xx. Keep all chassis and mechanical components, but re order Silverado wheelbases, cabs and box lengths to create new cab/box combinations.

To standardize bed/box combinations with each wheelbase length, use the 4.8” longer regular cab 8ft box rear overhang on all Silverado boxes.

Previous 19” difference between 79" standard box and 98" long box is reduced to 16.” 69” Short Box was only 10” shorter than 79” standard box. It loses four inches and is now 16” shorter than the new 81" Standard Box.

Regular Cab redubbed “Single Cab.” Add 4” to the current Regular Cab 8ft wheelbase for a 137.” Add 5” of cab length. Cab to axle decrease of 1” yields new 97” box.

Short wheelbase Single cab combines 5” longer cab with 3” longer 121” wheelbase and five inches more rear overhang. It makes for a 2” longer 81” cargo box.

Reflect increased “Lifestyle” use of Double cab more for behind seat toys and tools. Three inch shorter Double cab length and longer box overhang means Double Cab triples in box combinations from K2xx.

New class leading Crew Cab is 3 inches longer. Standard box model retains current 153” wheelbase but adds 5” rear overhang to deliver industry leading 6.75 ft box.

Short box gets 4 inches shorter to 5’5.” Cab to rear axle is 10” shorter than K2xx short box. This allows for a Double Cab short box model for the first time.

The new Crew Cab short box model is on a 6.5” shorter, easy handling 137” wheelbase shared with the Double Cab standard box and Single Cab long box.
Previous 79” standard box increased to class leading 81.”













 

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Sorry All star, I didn't mean to imply the thread was about styling. I was using the paint chops to illustrate new proportions and how we could 'work with what we have now.'

My notion was that the 2019 MCE could would be a 'revolution within an enhancement' by rationalizing cab/box lengths to equalize distance between all three cabs/boxes to 16". And we have this Long box with 52" overhang - standardize that on all models to allow longer Single and Crew Cabs and a 6.5" shorter wheelbase, sportier Double Cab standard box.

We even keep the current 153" Standard Box Crew Cab wheelbase and just stretch overhang five inches. Now the three inch shorter Double Cab can expand to an 8.1 ft box version with the same wheelbase and length. And even the 121" wheelbase model can have a Double Cab Short Box.

So now we have four wheelbases and five models. The long box and short box each only come on one wheelbase/cab. Double Cab comes with one box only.

And with a 'revolutionary mce' we have three wheelbases and seven models. Now the short and long boxes each come on two cabs and the Double cab is available with all three boxes.
 

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This is supposed to be "revolutionary"?
I think its a typo, should be revelationary, as in someone had a revelation and realized this is what should have came out 2 years ago.

- Regular Cab; redubbed “Single Cab.” Add 5” of cab length. a.k.a. Like the Ram's roomy RC

- Double Cab; a.k.a. “Lifestyle Cab”. As in, real people can't sit back there anyway, who's idea was it to put miniature forward swing doors, so lets make it 3" shorter so people will stop trying.

- Crew Cab; New class leading Crew Cab is 3 inches longer. As in, I guess Ford was right, back in 2009 when they increased the size of their Crew Cab.


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Elvis, do you have a source/link for this story? The 2019 is going to be called T1XX by the way.

At this point, I'm not sure it's even true, but totally believable it makes so much sense its almost sickening.

This was one of the main reasons, besides the looks (which is finally start to grow on me) why I was so disappointed when the K2XX's trucks were revealed.
 

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Re: 2019 Silverado "Revolutionary Enhancement" wheelbase/cab/box rationalization.

Thanks for commenting Ed.

The revelator was me :)



I had been kicking around a number of complaints about what I - and other GMIers - have been asking for in the restyled Silvy.

1. Double Cab only comes with one bed.
2. Regular Cab too small.
3. Only the 143.5 WB chassis has more than one bed/box combo. Everything else is one 'model' per wheelbase.
4. Eight foot box available only on Regular Cab
5. Double cab door handles took away 'sleek' styling of Extended Cab.
6. Bay type doors superior for behind seat stowage function.
7. Cries for a return of Avalanche. Shorter wheelbase CC short box mimics Avalanche but doesn't compete so closely with Suburban.
8. Long held desire for a Blazer return answered with 121" DC short box. Offers Blazer's functionality and passenger space - doesn't compete with Tahoe.

I wanted this to be a bill of particulars that shows *exactly* how we could use 'what we already have' - the 52" overhang of the 8ft Long Box, even the same 153" wheelbase of the CC Standard Box, same basic frame and chassis components - to cut one of the wheelbase lengths (current RC 8ft) but yield two additional 'models' or cab/box combos.

I think the big objection to this would be that *all* the cabs should be longer. The problem there is that ruins the 'rationalization' because if we take the 19" difference between the current long box and standard and project that to short box we end up with a ridiculously long Crew Cab combined with a comically short short box of only 60."
 

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Double Cab; a.k.a. “Lifestyle Cab”. As in, real people can't sit back there anyway, who's idea was it to put miniature forward swing doors, so lets make it 3" shorter so people will stop trying.
Real people cannot sit back there? Nearly 35" of leg room is more than many compact sedans have. This myth should be busted...the traditional doors are a huge improvement.
 

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I'd like to have a 5.3 WT Double Cab with an 8' box for my maintenance crew.
 

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Ford has the crew cab dimensions nailed in my opinion. I'm 6' 1-1/2" and can set a F-150 front seat to where I can lock my legs straight and then get in the back seat and put my legs 90% to straight locked. That and the flat floor should be a no-brainer for every manufacturer.
 

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Real people cannot sit back there? Nearly 35" of leg room is more than many compact sedans have. This myth should be busted...the traditional doors are a huge improvement.
OK, OK, let me clarify............ "as in real people (or large items) can't easily get in and out of the back"


Like the myth that this is harder to get into the GMT900 Extended Cab than a K2XX Double-cab? :lmao:

(Enjoy your Double-Cab) :yup:






(also note the front doors are now almost 3" shorter too)
 
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Thanks for commenting Ed.

The revelator was me :)



I had been kicking around a number of complaints about what I - and other GMIers - have been asking for in the restyled Silvy.

1. Double Cab only comes with one bed.
2. Regular Cab too small.
3. Only the 143.5 WB chassis has more than one bed/box combo. Everything else is one 'model' per wheelbase.
4. Eight foot box available only on Regular Cab
5. Double cab door handles took away 'sleek' styling of Extended Cab.
6. Bay type doors superior for behind seat stowage function.
7. Cries for a return of Avalanche. Shorter wheelbase CC short box mimics Avalanche but doesn't compete so closely with Suburban.
8. Long held desire for a Blazer return answered with 121" DC short box. Offers Blazer's functionality and passenger space - doesn't compete with Tahoe.

I wanted this to be a bill of particulars that shows *exactly* how we could use 'what we already have' - the 52" overhang of the 8ft Long Box, even the same 153" wheelbase of the CC Standard Box, same basic frame and chassis components - to cut one of the wheelbase lengths (current RC 8ft) but yield two additional 'models' or cab/box combos.

I think the big objection to this would be that *all* the cabs should be longer. The problem there is that ruins the 'rationalization' because if we take the 19" difference between the current long box and standard and project that to short box we end up with a ridiculously long Crew Cab combined with a comically short short box of only 60."

Gotcha! (good work)


GM should hire you to work in their Product Development Department.
 
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OK, OK, let me clarify............ "as in real people (or large items) can't easily get in and out of the back"


Like the myth that this is harder to get into the GMT900 Extended Cab than a K2XX Double-cab? :lmao:

(Enjoy your Double-Cab) :yup:

(also note the front doors are now almost 3" shorter too)
The extra wide opening does not help you when you are trapped from the privileged folk taking their sweet time to open the doors in front. Bay doors are a pain in the ass.
 

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The extra wide opening does not help you when you are trapped from the privileged folk taking their sweet time to open the doors in front. Bay doors are a pain in the ass.
Well until you are a big boy and allowed to sit up front, you just have to be sure and set the stage, you see when you get in the back, they can't close their door, until you close yours a little quid quo pro....... I'll close my door, so you can close yours and when we stop, you open yours so I can open mine. :yup:

Otherwise, just learn to live with the 1.47 seconds of claustrophobia, until they open their door. :zippy:

I'd to think I have a bit of insight, owning 4 Extended Cabs and 2 Quad Cabs over the last 16 years...............
 

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Regular cab 10" bed.
 
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denali: In this scheme, if you put the Single cab on the 245" chassis you would end up with 97 +16" = 113" or 9'5"

Could be an ideal HD steed for someone.

Ford had a 9ft bed on the F350 from 67-72.



And the 6.75 standard box was used from 73-96 at Ford.

 

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If the 8' bed was available with an extended cab, this truck would be in my driveway already, forward hinged rear doors and all. Although, I'd much rather have the wide swinging, interior hauling room enabling, rear hinged doors. If GM is wondering why they might be loosing customers to Ford and/or Ram, it just might be the options you are offering, or better put, there lack of.

This would have been awesome.

 

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The double cab needs an extra 1" or 2" of length if anything. Making it shorter would be a bad bad bad idea. If they did that, even at the expense of 1" less bed length, the double cab's would sell a lot more. I think right now GM has the longest "standard" bed anyways. I did like the regular cab Ford had with a tiny rear hinged door, or just an extra foot or so of space behind the seats.
 

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If they plans on making the trucks longer they should make them 1 1/2-2'' higher as well, So the truck wont look so low. But I agree on wheelbase/cab/box rationalization,Also I like to see a flair side bed brought back personally I'd like to have a crew cab with a 7'' box but add it to overhang the extra couple inches
 
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