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2015 Porsche 911 GT3 vs 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28! - Head 2 Head Ep. 60

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Predictable outcome, but fun comparison nonetheless.

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LetsRace
Two amazing machines.
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BlackGTP
Might be a predictable outcome, but it's great that the comparison can even be made. Any other generation of Camaro being compared to a Porsche would've been met with nothing but laughter. Kind of like the snickers when ~ 10 years ago Ford said the Mustang competed against the BMW 3 Series and not the Camaro.
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Z284ever
That is awesome! Who would have ever thunk it.


Now just imagine...

A lighter...

smaller....

more refined....

6th gen Camaro Z/28 on Alpha. ;)
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Z284ever said:
That is awesome! Who would have ever thunk it.


Now just imagine...

A lighter...

smaller....

more refined....

6th gen Camaro Z/28 on Alpha. ;)
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That would be awesome. Acceptable to compare the gen 5 to a Porsche, but if the gen 6 is not only good enough to be compared, but to actually beat the Porsche!!!! If GM can keep building cars like the Camaro Z28 and C7 Vette, people will really start to question the high prices of the Germans and Italians!
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mchicha
The Corvette team have their work cut out for them. There needs to be a Naturally aspirited track weapon above the Z06, less power, more track focus, higher RPM.
You know why? The Camaro team with the ATS Chassis will smack em down especially when they get a hold of that Z06 supercharged motor.

Where should the money go? If you ask me, they need to focus on a motor, a motor that makes at least 600 HP, 550 lbs ft of torques and is hand built and revs to 7700 rpm. They should make a profit out of it and build it for demand only. Surely they can do it.
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Cobaltss_King
This should be good enough reason for GM not to abandon the NA track engine. GM is that close to perfection in a sports car not called a Vette.
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I want to see a head to head crash of the two and see who wins.

Porsche is impressive, but I will take the Z/28, and a ZO6 for my money...probably still have some cash left.
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mchicha
Cobaltss_King said:
This should be good enough reason for GM not to abandon the NA track engine. GM is that close to perfection in a sports car not a Vette.
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GM has some problems at GM powertrains when it comes to execution of motors. It seems that the leaders at powertrain are driven by cost above all else. They need to spend some more money on excellence and technology showcasing.
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Z284ever said:
That is awesome! Who would have ever thunk it.


Now just imagine...

A lighter...

smaller....

more refined....

6th gen Camaro Z/28 on Alpha. ;)
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I sure do hope that they absolutely nail the next Z/28 like this one. I know it will not be as stripper or have a NA engine, but you can capture the same spirit and feel in a car with options and supercharged engine. I hope the Z/28 and ZL1 are not combined into one car like the Z06/ZR1 was with the C7. Let the ZL1 still be the do everything right car and let the Z/28 remain the badass.

On sidenote, the graphic designers, film crew and video editors for Motor Trend have really become quite good.
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Ambalanche
The very idea of comparing a 911 GT3 and a Z/28 is amazing!! especially after what they said about the 5th gen Camaro when it first came out!
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BlackGTP
Twinpeaksr said:
I want to see a head to head crash of the two and see who wins.

Porsche is impressive, but I will take the Z/28, and a ZO6 for my money...probably still have some cash left.
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At this point at least the C7 Vette is so good to me that I don't see the point in buying a comparable Porsche for $10's of thousands more. Yes, perhaps it's a bit more refined, somewhat better interior (or at least some say) - $5,000 better? Sure, but $30,000+ better? No.

The lower versions of the Camaro need some work before people will ever cross shop them with a German, but I have high hopes for the next gen!!!!
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mchicha said:
If you ask me, they need to focus on a motor, a motor that makes at least 600 HP, 550 lbs ft of torques and is hand built and revs to 7700 rpm. They should make a profit out of it and build it for demand only. Surely they can do it.
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And you really thinks we will see such version coming from Gen V small block?
I highly doubt it. Especially 7700 rpm part.
Porsche is over 2 second faster on track with less power. Do you think only solution is more power? Engine that you speak wouldn't be cheap..it would probably raise the price of the car. Are people willing to pay more for n.g Z/28?
Not to mention that latest rumors suggest next gen. might have forced induction.
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sfbreh
What happened to Johnny Lieberman and why is this hump hosting my Head 2 Heads?
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LetsRace
sfbreh said:
What happened to Johnny Lieberman and why is this hump hosting my Head 2 Heads?
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Lieberman is still in MT, Head to Head is usually given to him or Lago. Lago is a good reviewer, no Chris Harris, but good.
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asrapid1 said:
And you really thinks we will see such version coming from Gen V small block?
I highly doubt it. Especially 7700 rpm part.
Porsche is over 2 second faster on track with less power. Do you think only solution is more power? Engine that you speak wouldn't be cheap..it would probably raise the price of the car. Are people willing to pay more for n.g Z/28?
Not to mention that latest rumors suggest next gen. might have forced induction.
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The motor being a GM motor would be hand built but it would have vehicles to go into. Cadillac could do a more track oriented ATS with it, Camaro, Corvette and do not forget the GM parts crate engine market outlet which is the biggest in the industry.

If you build it, people will pay for it, it does not have to be high volume.. but it should be priced above cost and the products it went into would be expensive, not for everyone.
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mchicha said:
Where should the money go? If you ask me, they need to focus on a motor, a motor that makes at least 600 HP, 550 lbs ft of torques and is hand built and revs to 7700 rpm. They should make a profit out of it and build it for demand only. Surely they can do it.
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550lb-ft naturally aspirated? That would take massive displacement, at least 7.0L, meaning at least a 4.0-inch stroke using LS/LT architecture. At 7,700rpm piston speeds would exceed 26 meters per second. In case you're not aware, that's ridiculously high.
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Slideways said:
550lb-ft naturally aspirated? That would take massive displacement, at least 7.0L, meaning at least a 4.0-inch stroke using LS/LT architecture. At 7,700rpm piston speeds would exceed 26 meters per second. In case you're not aware, that's ridiculously high.
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I get its high and there would be some serious technical challenges to overcome. But when you look at vehicles that are consindered elite, tackling difficult engineering challenges is what its about. Take the AMG SLS AMG black Series motor. 6.2 liters 622 horsepower at 8000 rpm 468 lb-ft at 5500 rpm.

This is the kind of stuff these hyper performance GM cars are going against.

I know GM powertrain can do it. The Pratt Miller 8.2 liter motor in the C6RS you could order for the Street made an insane - 600 hp and 600 pound-feet of torque and its based off the old small block 7.0 liter and was not even direct injected back in 2009. Seriously they could make something that can challenge the AMG 6.2 liter, otherwise, they will never play with the big bwoys.
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Amazing how it holds its own against a car that costs twice as much. And the Corvette wasn't even present here! Wonder what some tuning could do in this situation. Either way, as I always say, you'd have to be stupid and badge blinded to go for something other than American muscle.
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mchicha said:
I get its high and there would be some serious technical challenges to overcome. But when you look at vehicles that are consindered elite, tackling difficult engineering challenges is what its about. Take the AMG SLS AMG black Series motor. 6.2 liters 622 horsepower at 8000 rpm 468 lb-ft at 5500 rpm.

This is the kind of stuff these hyper performance GM cars are going against.

I know GM powertrain can do it. The Pratt Miller 8.2 liter motor in the C6RS you could order for the Street made an insane - 600 hp and 600 pound-feet of torque and its based off the old small block 7.0 liter and was not even direct injected back in 2009. Seriously they could make something that can challenge the AMG 6.2 liter, otherwise, they will never play with the big bwoys.
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It's not Pratt Miller motor it is Katech engine in Pratt Miller car. Yes Katech have some very nice engines. But did you see the price of those engines? Also warranty on those engines are 1 year or 12 000 miles.
AMG 6.2 is a DOHC V8 not cam in block design. And M159 version is used in car that cost close to 300 000 $.

Unfortunately everyone is going forced induction lately (inlcuding Mercedes) so i don't expect seeing GM putting money in special high revving engines in near future.
And as you can see you don't have to have big horsepower to win race on track.
Rumors are n.g Porsche GT3 RS will have around 515+ hp. I'm thinking Z/28 will go forced induction in its next generation to achieve such power. i hope i'm wrong..who knows.
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