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from -http://www.g8nation.com/2008/06/2009-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed/

The gang at CarDomain.com recently had the pleasure of breaking bread with Maximum Bob. They were relentless at getting answer to the all important question….”What’s with the disappearance of the stick shift from modern cars?”

Mr. Lutz responded by reminding us that gone are the days where manual transmission are more fuel efficient than automatics. So in order to meet the all-important average fleet MPG goals, the number of sticks needs to be reduced.

On to the good stuff…we’ll keep it short and sweet….Lutz confirmed that the G8 GT will have an optional Tremec six-speed for 2009.
Rejoice my friends….rejoice.

[Source: CarDomain]
 

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Cool.
 

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You asked for it ......now its here. Lets see how many people buy what they said they wanted, a manual in a 4dr car. I'm sure glad that it's being offered but I wonder about it being "bottom line" logical.
 

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You asked for it ......now its here. Lets see how many people buy what they said they wanted, a manual in a 4dr car. I'm sure glad that it's being offered but I wonder about it being "bottom line" logical.
I drive a 4 door stick. The following companies find 4 doors/sticks logical to sell:

Honda (Accord)
Acura (TL)
BMW (3 and 5 series)
Mercedes (C class)
VW (Passat)
Ford USA (Fusion)
Toyota (Camry)
Lexus (IS)
Nissan (Altima)
Infiniti (G35)
Mazda (6)
Holden (Commodore with a V-6)
Ford Aus. (Falcon)
 

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The G8, with its unremarkable V6 and thirsty V8 powertrain options, is likely to prove to be the answer to the question no one is asking in the era of $4.00/gallon gas. Its the wrong car at the wrong time - if it would have debuted when the Commodore did, it may have had an impact.
 

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^^^^ Just a small FYI: I was looking for used 2004-2006 CTS with a stick last summer and the guys at the local Caddy dealer told me only about 3% of all CTS's are ordered with sticks. If I wanted one, I'd have to order it (out of the question of the time, too much $). A stick in a G8 may only have a few takers, but I think it makes a very small but very passionate group of drivers happy and gives it a strong halo. Eat it, Charger.
 

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The G8, with its unremarkable V6 and thirsty V8 powertrain options, is likely to prove to be the answer to the question no one is asking in the era of $4.00/gallon gas. Its the wrong car at the wrong time - if it would have debuted when the Commodore did, it may have had an impact.
Wasn't it just a year or so ago when everyone was praising the 3.6 HF because it was such an amazing engine? I do agree that the timing is very poor (especially with such a weak dollar, they probably make little to no money on each of these they sell) but this is an amazing car.

Assuming I can find a job when I graduate in December, this is lookin' pretty good!
 

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The G8, with its unremarkable V6 and thirsty V8 powertrain options, is likely to prove to be the answer to the question no one is asking in the era of $4.00/gallon gas. Its the wrong car at the wrong time - if it would have debuted when the Commodore did, it may have had an impact.
I agree that it is bad timing as well, but this is great news to me. Unless GM comes out with some kind of Alpha product (RWD, manual tranny, smaller than G8), then I'll probably be buying a G8 in a year or two if I can get it with a manual transmission. I just don't know if I'll be able to afford to gas up a V8 or not. Maybe by that time they'll get the DI 3.6 V6 paired up with the 6-speed manual.
 

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The G8 is among those cars that should offer a stick shift, no matter how minute the demand may be, to satisfy those of us who will not drive automatics.

I don't care that sticks no longer offer better fuel economy than autos - I never bought a stick for that reason to begin with.

Its all about fun. The fun and enjoyment of being physically connected to the car.

On a side note, the most fun (and I'm not lying) I've ever had driving a car was the 1938 Pontiac that my Uncle rebuild for a friend of his. He let me drive it. Now, consider the fact that no car had an automatic transmission when this car was built, here's how to start it:

1. Insert key, turn to generator mode.
2. With left foot, depress clutch (no hydraulic clutches here - direct mechanical linkage, with LOTS of resistance)
3. With heel of right foot, depress gas pedal half way (on a warm engine) or all the way (on a cold engine)
4. With the toe of your foot, depress the starter stomp switch on the top of the gas pedal and hold it untill the engine turns over.

I really enjoyed driving a 3 on the tree with no power or automatic anything. And you really have to think, EVERYONE HAD to learn how to drive that way back then.

Everyone's spoiled rotten today with automatic transmissions :D
 

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from -http://www.g8nation.com/2008/06/2009-g8-gt-gets-optional-tremec-6-speed/

The gang at CarDomain.com recently had the pleasure of breaking bread with Maximum Bob. They were relentless at getting answer to the all important question….”What’s with the disappearance of the stick shift from modern cars?”

Mr. Lutz responded by reminding us that gone are the days where manual transmission are more fuel efficient than automatics. So in order to meet the all-important average fleet MPG goals, the number of sticks needs to be reduced.

On to the good stuff…we’ll keep it short and sweet….Lutz confirmed that the G8 GT will have an optional Tremec six-speed for 2009.
Rejoice my friends….rejoice.

[Source: CarDomain]
Funny, perhaps then Bob can explain why Chevy's fuel miser Cobalt gets 4 more mpg with the manual than the automatic -- since "gone are the days where manual transmission are more fuel efficient than automatics." That's right -- half of GM's lineup still milks the tired 4 speed automatic.

Bob isn't an engineer. Automatics that utilize a torque converter will always be less efficient than a manual due to their necessary slippage. There are so new dual clutch automatics that match the efficiency of a manual -- but they are still rare.

But this is crap -- an automatic can't exceed a manual's fuel economy with the same gearing. Merely match it. He's full of crap.
 

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A stick in a G8 may only have a few takers, but I think it makes a very small but very passionate group of drivers happy and gives it a strong halo. Eat it, Charger.
Yes, Charger. Eat it. I told my wife that I wouldn't buy a G8 unless it came with a M6. I guess now I need to put my check where my mouth is. I've been wanting a 4 door 6 speed car for a long time. I have a son and it's too much of a PITA to put him in a 2 door car. I had a 4dr G6 GTP but that car was boring to drive with an automatic. My wife can't drive stick and it was her car. The G8 will be mine. :bounce:
 

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I drive a 4 door stick. The following companies find 4 doors/sticks logical to sell:

Honda (Accord)
Acura (TL)
BMW (3 and 5 series)
Mercedes (C class)
VW (Passat)
Ford USA (Fusion)
Toyota (Camry)
Lexus (IS)
Nissan (Altima)
Infiniti (G35)
Mazda (6)
Holden (Commodore with a V-6)
Ford Aus. (Falcon)
Yes, if "nobody" wanted stick shifts anymore, these companies wouldn't bother offerring them in their cars. Just like nobody wants roll-up windows anymore, at least in the industrialized world.

I figured they would offer the G8 GT with a stick shift eventually. It's the "performance" division, and if Cadillac can offer stick shifts...
 

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The G8, with its unremarkable V6 and thirsty V8 powertrain options, is likely to prove to be the answer to the question no one is asking in the era of $4.00/gallon gas. Its the wrong car at the wrong time - if it would have debuted when the Commodore did, it may have had an impact.
you truly have the brain of a french civil servant.
Do you think people buying the G8 really give a crap
 

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you truly have the brain of a french civil servant.
Do you think people buying the G8 really give a crap
Probably not but its still a crap investment by GM throwing good money after bad to prop up a "damaged" brand. Its no doubt a good car - but given the depths of GM's current problems, it will take a French socialist bailout, not the G8 to save the company. The G8 will have been a waste of GM's rapidly depleated resources for only 1,800 units sold in may (an annual rate of 22,000 units) for which they are probably loosing money on because of current exchange rates. They would have better off investing this money in a decent Cobalt or advertising for Saturn.
 

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Probably not but its still a crap investment by GM throwing good money after bad to prop up a "damaged" brand. Its no doubt a good car - but given the depths of GM's current problems, it will take a French socialist bailout, not the G8 to save the company. The G8 will have been a waste of GM's rapidly depleated resources for only 1,800 units sold in may (an annual rate of 22,000 units) for which they are probably loosing money on because of current exchange rates. They would have better off investing this money in a decent Cobalt or advertising for Saturn.
G8 is a global car. Its not a north american car. you guys are thinking local.
This thing is sold in places like south africa, korea, middle east, morocco, UK, China, etc...
they change a few things here and there and ship it.
The volume in one country is not much, but global volume adds up quick. GM is not stupid. You are looking at local sales numbers, GM is looking at global numbers for the all variants. Duh...
 

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GM is not stupid.
Given the overall state of affairs at GM and GMNA in particular, I believe this is debatable. Specific to the G8, selling it in NA may add to worldwide volumes and improve economy of scale (but at only 22,000 units, not really), but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to do so if they loose money at it. If GM needed to push Zeta volumes, a Chevy or (existing) Buick badged version built in NA would have made a better business case.
 

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Congrats GM. This is what we asked for. Pontiac deserves at least as much.

The center stack could use a bit more class. Something more like this:



much better than even this fully optioned out G8:



I know it's been beaten to death, but having nav and a few other high tech options to compete with Infiniti and Acura are also a good idea. They shouldn't be standard, because performance junkies need to get their fix too, but as options they would keep the G8 relevant and unique from Chevy and bridge the gap up to Cadillac.
 
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