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What's this? News about less Mustangs? Mustang guru Brad Barnett has learned that Mustang marketing manager Fritz Wilke estimates only 45,000 Mustangs will be produced for the 2009 model year.
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What's this? News about less Mustangs? Mustang guru Brad Barnett has learned that Mustang marketing manager Fritz Wilke estimates only 45,000 Mustangs will be produced for the 2009 model year.
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Not as big of an ouch as you think.

2009 will be an extremely abbreviated model year, since the 2010 model is due out early next year.
 

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^ I know its just to make it a little dramatic hehe
 

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Wow Wescoent

Yer r341 h1p:lmao:
 

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45th anniversary = 45K units.
Makes sense.

So the Mustang will be out before the Camaro.

Man is GM slow with that thing.
 

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sorry Camaro fans but I keep saying that GM should refresh the camaro before it hits the market
 

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sorry Camaro fans but I keep saying that GM should refresh the camaro before it hits the market
I agree. I was walking with my girlfriend through Target today looking for a gift for my niece for her birthday and we walked by a bunch of those scale die-cast metal model cars in the toy section. They had one for the Camaro and the label said 2006 Camaro Concept. It occurred to me right then: it's been that long already? If the production Camaro sticks mostly to the concept, which it appears it will, I think there's a real risk that it will run into the very same problem that many have accused the 2005+ Mustang of having: styling with a short shelf-life. You never know though. Maybe GM has something up their sleeve already and the new Camaro, as a 2010+ model (right?), is scheduled for a refresh in 2012. However, to speculate such things is next to irrelevant though since we know the Mustang is due for a complete redesign by then, not to mention whatever Dodge might be up to with the Challenger.
 

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I just want to thank you for posting a story the way you did. You gave us all the info we needed in a short summary, and you provided a link. I get so tired of opening threads with nothing more than a link. A lot of times those make the front page too. That ought to be embarrasing to this site. But it's happening more and more.
 

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:clap:

We disagree often you and I, but this is too funny and too true!
I was a very early adopter of the internet, and associated with a rather geeky crowd in my younger days, hence my knowledge of such things.

I think the Camaro and Challenger are good looking cars.

However, I feel GM has no idea why the Camaro and Firebird failed to begin with, and do not understand why the Mustang has been a success. Therefore, they are walking right down the same path that ruined them to begin with. They think they can just mix a Mustang with a Corvette, and they'll get a winner. They listen to the F-Body enthusiasts who want a big car, big power, and macho style. Sure, they'll love the Camaro for all the reasons they hate the Mustang, but the reasons they hate the Mustang is why 100,000 non-enthusiasts buy Mustangs every year.

I'll give it 5 years before it gets canned or is substantially downsized and downpowered, and they accept a substantially lower sales expectation.
 

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However, I feel GM has no idea why the Camaro and Firebird failed to begin with, and do not understand why the Mustang has been a success. Therefore, they are walking right down the same path that ruined them to begin with. They think they can just mix a Mustang with a Corvette, and they'll get a winner. They listen to the F-Body enthusiasts who want a big car, big power, and macho style. Sure, they'll love the Camaro for all the reasons they hate the Mustang, but the reasons they hate the Mustang is why 100,000 non-enthusiasts buy Mustangs every year.

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As I said before, we disagree often you and I. I think the new Camaro is a sign that GM does indeed have a clue. As a Ford fan, you must be gratified to see GM take a similar tack on the Camaro in deciding to emmulate the '67 as Ford did with the Mustang.

This raises the whole "retro" question, of course. We've seen lately the insubstantial nature of the market for retro vehicles (The last Thunderbird, the Chevy SSR, virtually all Jaguars since 2000). But the Mustang is a thing unto itself. It is both retro and not. All Mustangs can be said to be retro, since no generation of the vehicle has ever strayed very far from the original themes established in 1964. Where it is not strictly a retro car is the fact that it has been in more or less continuous production since 1964. Wisely, Ford never abandoned it so they are not seen as "returning" to anything.
 

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Why does everyone try to analyze the success of the stang.
It is a lot of things to a lot of people, from a cute coupe to a hot muscle car. Borrowing styling lines from several popular stangs of past was smart, but when I think of retro I think of beetle or HHR or PT cruiser. The stang is just a stang with the same proportions it has always had. It will remain popular I am sure, even in the face of competition. The challenger though to me is nothing but a 2 door 300C, so I think it will not come close to the stang, as it is far too big and heavy - especially today. GM's success or lack of it, depends on lots of things, like price point, but regardless, it will never be a stang. Ever.

But I am sure that Camaro will be hot, just not as hot as stang.
 
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