I love hearing all the guys (and there are lots) who bought F-450's complain about fuel economy. Most only realy need an F-250, but want the cool factor of the F-450 (mines bigger than yours) and then can't understand why it gets bad fuel economy. Lets see, 4.30 gears with a diesel and a 5 speed transmission, what else would it do? All the new diesels are down on fuel economy, Heck compare a 2009 Jetta (EPA 30 City, 41 Highway) to a 1985 Escort Diesel (36 City, 46 Highway under new EPA standards, 43/52 on original window sticker), but most are going from 3/4 or 1 ton and moving up. Most of the old trucks have 3.55 or 3.73 gears and are built before the Ultra low sulpher diesel emisions change that hurt fuel ecomomy on all diesels. I haven't been around any Dodges, but I can verify (by their owners complaints) that the mid 07 MY Duramax gets the same fuel economy as the 6.4L does.