even with the now blase nurburgring treatment it's still lacking in power the chassis had better off superb driving dynamics to make up for the short comings of the engine and drive train and what good is all that extra added horsepower if your engine's not able to rev in to the heart of it's power band for fear of blowing it up?Originally posted by Ghrankenstein@Apr 4 2004, 08:18 PM
Hopefully I can inject a bit of wisdom into this debate. I tried in the other Cobalt SS/SC thread, and it was completely ignored.
The Cobalt SS/SC will not only have a 4.05 final drive ratio, but it will also have huge 4-wheel disc brakes and a Nurburgring-tuned suspension. This is meant to be an all-around performance vehicle, not just a straight-liner, and I have no doubt it will succeed.
As for the power, the one thing that was NOT ignored, tuners can easily get 300 hp from an Ecotec, or 200+ without a blower. Unfortunately, just a bunch of hp does not an all-around performance car make.
Amen.Originally posted by yoblues@Apr 6 2004, 08:46 PM
Just wondering. If you got an SC/SS can you deleate that dopey wing on the trunk? Mitsu will let you do it on the EVO. I really like this version of the Cobalt but that wing is hedious.
You're right....Originally posted by awalbert88@Apr 3 2004, 07:38 AM
12PSI and it's only making 200HP? It better be throwing that to the wheels, or this thing's not gonna be received well by the tuner crowd. I really thought the Ecotec motor was more potent than that. In N/A trim, it must only be producing around 130hp. The Ford Zetec engine family is making better power N/A with better fuel economy and lower emissions, but I guess that also comes from the fact that the Ecotec design is pretty old, whereas the Zetec is constantly being updated.
I can forgive the lack of a 6-speed, because it isn't really making enough power to justify anything more at this point. I don't see a lot of potential for more than 250hp with the stock blower, and that's if the motor is properly built like that of the SRT-4.
If it's light enough and underrated, it might hang with a stock WRX. But that's not very impressive for a tuner car anymore. Does GM have a new 4cyl in the pipeline, or at least an overhaul for the Ecotec? This should've had a s/c 2.4, which could've made it on par with the SRT-4. Oh well, maybe GM will realize the importance of this market segment and create a proper performance group ala SVT and SRT. And don't bother with the argument that they have Pontiac for that, because it's not even close to being the same thing.
Well, there is the Cobalt SS, then the G6 coupe and Ion.Originally posted by Mestizo@May 17 2004, 05:39 AM
For the price most import makers can't really match the Cobalt......stock.
I say that because there are plenty of aftermarket products.
The Acura RSX Types S has 200 hp....other than that the rest are sedans or they are underpowered.
I need some 5/6 speed coupes to enter the market. The car companies are trying to build the cars for 18-25 to transfer their friends etc. Well, if it comes down to a coupe or driving my friends around.......the coupe wins. Listen GM!