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Totally agree about the Jeep Patriot. I actually judge the intelligence of people that own them. I test drove one back to back with a Forester...I still talk about how bad the Patriot was whenever I see one and I'm with someone else. The Forester...I decided I couldn't live without one and still have it 170k later.

Patriot was sooooooo slow even with a 2.4L and 5 speed manual. Had to really wind it up to get anyway. Forester felt like it had a big block in comparison. Didn't feel sporty at all either. Couldn't even chirp the tires when I redlined it and dropped the clutch in FWD mode

The Jeep Wrangler goes against every law and commandment writting into the Consumer Reports bible. This is why Jeep sells every single one they can make and has some of the best resale value on the market.

Yea I don't get how it made the list. It might not be for everyone but FCA can't crank out enough to meet demand.

 

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As for the Patriot you hated, I haven't driven one so I can neither agree nor dissent.

But cars are ALL about different tastes and what floats your boat. The Forester you refer to was probably the worst rental car I've had with the exception of an early Echo. My Forester rental around 2005 rode hard, the seats ached parts of my body I didn't know existed, the engine sounded like an ailing 1970 Beetle, the radio would pull about 10 miles, and it had about the same power as that older Beetle.

But it's all what appeals to each of us. That's why I find arguments about styling such a total waste of time.

Interesting...my mom's fiance (in his 60's) said he liked the ride of my Forester while riding in the backseat for an hour. I wish the seats were a little comfier but I've found them to be pretty good.

I do agree on radio reception though. I'm pretty sure it's due to the in-glass antenna as even with swapping out the crappy factory head unit with a Pioneer the reception still sucks.

Interestingly though, people swap out 2.2L Subaru engines in Volkswagen buses...still slow but it like doubles the power lol