Finally one of these lists where GM doesn't dominate. Only the XTS got on it. I'm not sure what the issue is with it. The other ones I agree with except the Jeep Wrangler.
15 New Cars To Avoid
New cars just aren’t what they used to be. No, we’re not getting all crotchety and decrying the evolution in styling and technological breakthroughs that have literally reinvented the automobile during the last quarter millennium. Rather, we’re bemoaning the fact that, unlike as in past model years, there’s a dearth of truly wretched cars on the market for us to openly and readily ridicule.
Despite the recent spate of recalls in the auto industry, it’s difficult to find catastrophic fault with today’s new cars. It’s been ages since the industry produced vehicles that were so mechanically misbegotten they’d, say, drop a transmission to the pavement within days after being picked up at the dealership.
We don’t even have a particularly gruesome-looking model like the oft-vilified Pontiac Aztek crossover SUV to kick around these days or even an unfortunately executed flop like the Chevrolet SSR sport truck to deride. Heck, what was until recently the poster child for ungainly contemporary cars – the Chrysler 200 – managed to morph into what is now a capable and downright amenable midsize sedan with its model-year 2015 redesign.
We consulted J.D. Power for the latest results in the company’s initial quality and long-term reliability surveys and its scores for performance and design; rankings for resale value depreciation came from the automotive valuation experts at ALG. Finally, we weighed in with no less an expert source than Consumer Reports to check which models received particularly paltry scores for performance and overall value.
http://www2.forbes.com/autos/15-new...-avoid&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
Despite the recent spate of recalls in the auto industry, it’s difficult to find catastrophic fault with today’s new cars. It’s been ages since the industry produced vehicles that were so mechanically misbegotten they’d, say, drop a transmission to the pavement within days after being picked up at the dealership.
We don’t even have a particularly gruesome-looking model like the oft-vilified Pontiac Aztek crossover SUV to kick around these days or even an unfortunately executed flop like the Chevrolet SSR sport truck to deride. Heck, what was until recently the poster child for ungainly contemporary cars – the Chrysler 200 – managed to morph into what is now a capable and downright amenable midsize sedan with its model-year 2015 redesign.
We consulted J.D. Power for the latest results in the company’s initial quality and long-term reliability surveys and its scores for performance and design; rankings for resale value depreciation came from the automotive valuation experts at ALG. Finally, we weighed in with no less an expert source than Consumer Reports to check which models received particularly paltry scores for performance and overall value.
http://www2.forbes.com/autos/15-new...-avoid&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
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How is the XTS a poor value? It's cheap compared to other cars that size, and larger than cars at its price point. It also has lots of tech and luxury options standard.
I'm so tired of seeing the Aztek get mentioned with crap like this. If it was good enough for Walter White, it's good enough for everyone.
I know. Everyone's favorite whipping-boy. Like the Cimarron. There was nothing mechanically unreliable about the Aztek. It also received one of the highest satisfaction ratings from owners in its day.I'm so tired of seeing the Aztek get mentioned with crap like this. If it was good enough for Walter White, it's good enough for everyone.
The BMW 7 series was the really painful car on this list, a car like that making it so high on this list and the first spot.
However I believe that the big plight for the 7 series isn't the 7 series but the Mercedes S class...
However I believe that the big plight for the 7 series isn't the 7 series but the Mercedes S class...
I don't know how reliable the Cimmaron was, probably typical for its day. But an aunt bought one of the early ones and riding in a Cimmaron was no more like riding in a Cadillac than reading the Toledo Blade is like reading Shakespeare. It felt cheap, underpowered, tinny, and NOT A CADILLAC.I know. Everyone's favorite whipping-boy. Like the Cimarron. There was nothing mechanically unreliable about the Aztek. It also received one of the highest satisfaction ratings from owners in its day.
As for this Forbes piece... Well, it's Forbes. Someone assigned this schlub a slow-news-day article, and he consulted a few sources and put together a list. He's not a car guy and likely has never been in, much less driven, any of the vehicles he pees on.
"No less an authority than Consumer Reports..." Oh yeah!
Funny, the following article--full of irritating pop-ups--names the "15 Hottest New Cars."
a quick look at a dozen and a half of the most noteworthy new-model introductions for 2015, along with full commentary,
Guess a dozen has been dumbed down to 10, probably along with the Keystone Pipeline vote.
Where, oh where, have all the editors gone? Not to Forbes, we can be assured.
As for the piece, some of these cars may get panned by certain expert entities but thangs like Jeep Wrangler sell like hotcakes and are very popular among the much-loved younger generations.
And the 200 was "ungainly"? Mine wasn't. My impression was the majority of the automotive press felt a need to go along to get along and trash the car. It was quick, agile, slightly different-looking in a sea of swoop, and an incredible value then and now.
This piece is by a New Yorker, for New Yorkers, and since none of those folk know jack about cars, What Difference Does It Make??!!
The author takes a risk by criticizing some very PC and/or popular cars among the Smart Set, no pun intended. I'd think a Forbes geek would know what's PC and what's not. Criticizing anything electric is verboten and will likely land this guy in Hell's Half Acre in the not too distant future.
Forbes, like Motley Fool, is a source but not much of a source.
Still watchin' m' mailbox.I don't know how reliable the Cimmaron was, probably typical for its day. But an aunt bought one of the early ones and riding in a Cimmaron was no more like riding in a Cadillac than reading the Toledo Blade is like reading Shakespeare. It felt cheap, underpowered, tinny, and NOT A CADILLAC.
I went all the way to Santa Barbara to look at a dirt cheap 2010 7-series for resale.
I thought about how long it would take to unload the thing and went home (I happen to like pointless trips though)
I thought about how long it would take to unload the thing and went home (I happen to like pointless trips though)
It's one of those things that just embedded in pop culture now. Yes, it was ugly. It's been surpassed in ugliness by Cubes and Elements and Smarts and Scions and that grotesque electric thing from MItsubishi, but the Aztek still gets mentioned all the time, long after being out of production.I know. Everyone's favorite whipping-boy. Like the Cimarron. There was nothing mechanically unreliable about the Aztek. It also received one of the highest satisfaction ratings from owners in its day.
Even funny jokes aren't funny anymore when they're just beat to death. I think it's the unoriginality of the never-ending Aztek jokes by very "clever" people that's really annoying.
Another one is the Camaro/Firebird and mullet jokes. I can assure you that after three Firebirds and a Camaro, I've never had a mullet. Nor did most people who ever bought those cars. There's been funny stuff on SNL about this, but then people not bright enough to come up with something funny of their own just run with it and beat it to death. This one particularly is annoying to me because it did much to destroy the image and reputation of these cars and I think partly led to their demise back in 2002.
The Jeep Wrangler goes against every law and commandment writting into the Consumer Reports bible. This is why Jeep sells every single one they can make and has some of the best resale value on the market.
I know, right? I had a 2002 Z28 and it was a nice car. And I'm about as far from being the mullet type as you can get.Another one is the Camaro/Firebird and mullet jokes. I can assure you that after three Firebirds and a Camaro, I've never had a mullet. Nor did most people who ever bought those cars. There's been funny stuff on SNL about this, but then people not bright enough to come up with something funny of their own just run with it and beat it to death. This one particularly is annoying to me because it did much to destroy the image and reputation of these cars and I think partly led to their demise back in 2002.
This sums it up for me.How is the XTS a poor value? It's cheap compared to other cars that size, and larger than cars at its price point. It also has lots of tech and luxury options standard.
Could be why there is talk lately that there will not be a 2nd gen XTSConsumer Reports cites the XTS as being among the industry’s worst values, and we think the Chevrolet Impala offers equivalent accommodations for less money.
Totally agree about the Jeep Patriot. I actually judge the intelligence of people that own them. I test drove one back to back with a Forester...I still talk about how bad the Patriot was whenever I see one and I'm with someone else. The Forester...I decided I couldn't live without one and still have it 170k later.
Patriot was sooooooo slow even with a 2.4L and 5 speed manual. Had to really wind it up to get anyway. Forester felt like it had a big block in comparison. Didn't feel sporty at all either. Couldn't even chirp the tires when I redlined it and dropped the clutch in FWD mode
Patriot was sooooooo slow even with a 2.4L and 5 speed manual. Had to really wind it up to get anyway. Forester felt like it had a big block in comparison. Didn't feel sporty at all either. Couldn't even chirp the tires when I redlined it and dropped the clutch in FWD mode
Yea I don't get how it made the list. It might not be for everyone but FCA can't crank out enough to meet demand.The Jeep Wrangler goes against every law and commandment writting into the Consumer Reports bible. This is why Jeep sells every single one they can make and has some of the best resale value on the market.
the Wrangler I "agree" with IF all you want is a commuter car is NOT the logical choice
I would have mentioned the BIG Buicks as an alternative to the XTS more then the Chevy Impala
I would have mentioned the BIG Buicks as an alternative to the XTS more then the Chevy Impala
Originally Posted by F14CRAZY
Totally agree about the Jeep Patriot. I actually judge the intelligence of people that own them. I test drove one back to back with a Forester...I still talk about how bad the Patriot was whenever I see one and I'm with someone else. The Forester...I decided I couldn't live without one and still have it 170k later.
Patriot was sooooooo slow even with a 2.4L and 5 speed manual. Had to really wind it up to get anyway. Forester felt like it had a big block in comparison. Didn't feel sporty at all either. Couldn't even chirp the tires when I redlined it and dropped the clutch in FWD mode
Yea I don't get how it made the list. It might not be for everyone but FCA can't crank out enough to meet demand.
Wrangler made the list because the guy is a peckerbrain, sitting in NYC pecking away at his keyboard which doesn't know any more than he does, which is nothing.
As I stated in my earlier explanation of why the guy's an imbecile, THIS PIECE NEEDS AN EDITOR.
Here: New cars just aren’t what they used to be. No, we’re not getting all crotchety and decrying the evolution in styling and technological breakthroughs that have literally reinvented the automobile during the last quarter millennium.
I don't know about everyone else, but in my dictionary a millenium is 1000 years.
So yes, I think you can safely say that cars HAVE made some styling and technological breakthroughs in the last 250 years.
As for the Patriot you hated, I haven't driven one so I can neither agree nor dissent.
But cars are ALL about different tastes and what floats your boat. The Forester you refer to was probably the worst rental car I've had with the exception of an early Echo. My Forester rental around 2005 rode hard, the seats ached parts of my body I didn't know existed, the engine sounded like an ailing 1970 Beetle, the radio would pull about 10 miles, and it had about the same power as that older Beetle.
But it's all what appeals to each of us. That's why I find arguments about styling such a total waste of time.
Totally agree about the Jeep Patriot. I actually judge the intelligence of people that own them. I test drove one back to back with a Forester...I still talk about how bad the Patriot was whenever I see one and I'm with someone else. The Forester...I decided I couldn't live without one and still have it 170k later.
Patriot was sooooooo slow even with a 2.4L and 5 speed manual. Had to really wind it up to get anyway. Forester felt like it had a big block in comparison. Didn't feel sporty at all either. Couldn't even chirp the tires when I redlined it and dropped the clutch in FWD mode
Yea I don't get how it made the list. It might not be for everyone but FCA can't crank out enough to meet demand.
Wrangler made the list because the guy is a peckerbrain, sitting in NYC pecking away at his keyboard which doesn't know any more than he does, which is nothing.
As I stated in my earlier explanation of why the guy's an imbecile, THIS PIECE NEEDS AN EDITOR.
Here: New cars just aren’t what they used to be. No, we’re not getting all crotchety and decrying the evolution in styling and technological breakthroughs that have literally reinvented the automobile during the last quarter millennium.
I don't know about everyone else, but in my dictionary a millenium is 1000 years.
So yes, I think you can safely say that cars HAVE made some styling and technological breakthroughs in the last 250 years.
As for the Patriot you hated, I haven't driven one so I can neither agree nor dissent.
But cars are ALL about different tastes and what floats your boat. The Forester you refer to was probably the worst rental car I've had with the exception of an early Echo. My Forester rental around 2005 rode hard, the seats ached parts of my body I didn't know existed, the engine sounded like an ailing 1970 Beetle, the radio would pull about 10 miles, and it had about the same power as that older Beetle.
But it's all what appeals to each of us. That's why I find arguments about styling such a total waste of time.
Simply put BMW has lost its way.. They cannot win races, they do not make the best drivers cars anymore.. they are completely lost.
I wish Cadillac was that lost when it came to selling cars.Simply put BMW has lost its way.. They cannot win races, they do not make the best drivers cars anymore.. they are completely lost.
Guess the EDIT function is still all sideways. That's how my post #17 ended up looking all cobbed together.
When I tried to edit just now, I got the same blank sheet I was getting last night. HLEPZ!!!
When I tried to edit just now, I got the same blank sheet I was getting last night. HLEPZ!!!
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