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Ok and AWD Limited with the lowest package to get intelegent access (not sure how much else of that package is standard on SHO). So SHO is only about $2000 more than this so the price doesn't seem that out of line to me. The biggest issue I see is the Taurus name making it hard to sell to Lexus, etc buyers.





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Order No: 0122 Priority: 80 Order Type: 2 Price Level: 015
Ord Code: 302A Cust/Flt Name: PO Number:
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P2J AWD LIMITED $33020 DEST AND DELIV $825
HT CINNAMON TOTAL BASE AND OPTIONS 35845
P LEATHER SEATING TOTAL 35845
W BLACK *THIS IS NOT AN INVOICE*
302A RAPID SPEC 2000
.LTD FLOOR MAT
.MEMRY ADJ PEDAL
.RAIN SENOR WPR
.BLIND SPOT MNTR
.INTEL ACCESS
.SONY AUDIO SYS
99W .3.5L V6 DURATEC NC
44J .6-SPD AUTO TRAN NC
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FDAF ASSESSMENT
 
I don't know what all the fuss over the pricing is about. The top of the line Avalon costs about 40K, the Lucerne over 40K and this Taurus seems to be(on paper) better than both. Ford cant win for losing, they call the car Five Hundred, people complain about ditching the Taurus name, they bring it back--people b!tch about the pricing. At 28-30K they risk castrating the sales of the Fusion, and possibly taking a loss on the SHO Taurus.
 
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Compare this to the Fusion Sport, and you'll see this price isn't outrageous at all. It's Ford's flagship sedan, for heaven's sake.

GM doesn't make a comparable vehicle to this. Give me a call when the G8 gets AWD, and the STS4 V8 is more of an MKS EcoBoost competitor.

Chrysler DOES make a comparable vehicle. The Dodge Charger R/T AWD STARTS at $35,000, and I daresay this Taurus is at LEAST $3,000 nicer.
 
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So 360hp and 25mpg for $38k? I can get 370hp and 25mpg from Dodge for $31k. And that's in a proper RWD vehicle. Even similarly equipped the Dodge is cheaper.

If those features come standard, and this machine can corner decently, then this price is not bad at all! A steal compared to EVO X, STI, or 335xi.
And a rip off compared to a G8 GT or Charger R/T.

Only problem is... the brand and model name. If this was under a luxury brand and within my budget, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. :drive:
So if it appealed to brand snobbery you'd buy it? This is what's wrong with America. That said, Lincoln will make the powertrain available on the MKS.

I think that's the issue. It's not $37K, it starts at $37,995.00 which is $38K, if you want the bigger wheels etc, it adds $995 more, so it's $39K. Plus, I'm sure there are other options not included in that people will want, so you might as well say $40K. I'm sure it's fast, but there are a whole slew of sport sedans that have more desireable names from more desireable makes that offer cars for $40K. I hope for Ford's sake it's successful, but in this economy, I'm not sure this is the right pricing stratagy for this car. Pricing aside, it blows the Impala SS away!:mad:
Does it do 0-60 in less than 5.5s? If not then it doesn't blow the Impala SS away. Besides GM already has a better performance sedan, the G8 GT.

I don't know what all the fuss over the pricing is about. The top of the line Avalon costs about 40K, the Lucerne over 40K and this Taurus seems to be(on paper) better than both. Ford cant win for losing, they call the car Five Hundred, people complain about ditching the Taurus name, they bring it back--people b!tch about the pricing. At 28-30K they risk castrating the sales of the Fusion, and possibly taking a loss on the SHO Taurus.
Ford doesn't compete with Buick, Mercury does. Ford competes with Dodge, Chevy, Pontiac, Toyota, etc. While Taurus may compare favorably with Impala, Lucerne or Avalon, it doesn't compare favorably with Charger or G8.
 
DOOOOD Its looks Gangster.... I want one
 
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Compare this to the Fusion Sport, and you'll see this price isn't outrageous at all. It's Ford's flagship sedan, for heaven's sake.

GM doesn't make a comparable vehicle to this. Give me a call when the G8 gets AWD, and the STS4 V8 is more of an MKS EcoBoost competitor.

Chrysler DOES make a comparable vehicle. The Dodge Charger R/T AWD STARTS at $35,000, and I daresay this Taurus is at LEAST $3,000 nicer.
So the Fusion sport is overpriced as well. I'll agree, the G8 isn't comparable... it's better! The Ford's price is too high for what you get. For the same price I can have an LS3 powered GXP with a manual transmission and RWD.
 
Does it do 0-60 in less than 5.5s? If not then it doesn't blow the Impala SS away. Besides GM already has a better performance sedan, the G8 GT.

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Agreed:drive:
 
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Ford doesn't compete with Buick, Mercury does. Ford competes with Dodge, Chevy, Pontiac, Toyota, etc. While Taurus may compare favorably with Impala, Lucerne or Avalon, it doesn't compare favorably with Charger or G8.
As far as I'm concerned Mercury is a dead brand that doesnt compete with anything. I lump Mercury in the same category as Pontiac(dead men walking). Ford may not compete with Buick but the New Taurus lands dead squat in the middle of what Buick tried and failed to accomplish with the Lucerne.
 
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Expensive, that price includes the 365 hp 3.5 EB, better wheels, spoiler, better brakes, better interior, exhaust, etc. The price is around where it should be, remember this is no longer the mid size car of the 80's, its a full size car!

Besides GM already has a better performance sedan, the G8 GT.



Only one problem...in 3 years its dead along with all of Zeta.
 
Not necessarily overpriced for what is offered.

Having said that, I wish there was an intermediate powertrain option, something in the 300 bhp range, as acceleration in a non-SHO AWD Taurus will be merely adequate. My MKZ lease is up next winter and I want to be in a AWD Taurus for my next car. But, I can't swing an SHO at 40K, and I'm not crazy about having the NA D35 with AWD in a heavier car (its performance in my FWD MKZ is OK, but not great).

Or maybe I will put off those pesky home improvements and just buy an SHO.
 
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Expensive, that price includes the 365 hp 3.5 EB, better wheels, spoiler, better brakes, better interior, exhaust, etc. The price is around where it should be, remember this is no longer the mid size car of the 80's, its a full size car!

Besides GM already has a better performance sedan, the G8 GT.



Only one problem...in 3 years its dead along with all of Zeta.
Its hardly full-sized. My Caprice dwarfs it.

So lets see see from GM for $38k I can get
420hp LS3
6sp Tremec manual
Better brakes than the Taurus
Nurburgring (sp?) tuned suspension

The similarly priced GXP will eat the SHO alive on any performance metric. The much cheaper G8 GT.

Don't get me wrong, Taurus makes a great family vehicle and I'd pick it over a Fusion (even the new one), Malibu, Impala, or any other FWD vehicle. But when you get that high in price and start pretending its a competitor to RWD V8 performance vehicles, it loses its impressiveness.
 
Let me explain, in simple terms, the purpose of this vehicle.

FoMoCo will be sending 3.5L EcoBoost engines to two assembly plants. Chicago, which builds the Taurus and MKS, and Oakville, which builds the Edge, Flex, MKX, and MKT. The Lincoln models NEED this motor to compete with V8-powered rivals, so the business case has already been made to ship these powertrains to these plants.

There isn't a major cost difference between shipping 10,000 powertrains, and shipping 12,000 powertrains.

The engineering work for installing this powertrain in the D4 chassis is already finished and paid for, for Lincoln's benefit.

Therefore, the INCREMENTAL cost for designing and building a Taurus SHO, Edge EcoBoost, and Flex EcoBoost is next to nothing. Thus, the answer becomes, why NOT? Ford could sell 250 of these a year, and the program still makes economic sense. Here is WHY Ford did it:

From: Ford Motor Company
To: SHO Enthusiasts

Dear SHO Enthusiasts,

Thank you for buying our overpriced yet good performing SHO Taurus models in the 1990's, and continuing a rabid adoration of our company and its products through the dark times since. We know you are all older, more mature, and wealthier, so here is a spiritual successor to your beloved SHO, designed in a manner that suits you better these days. So please come in and take a look. If the SHO is still too large for you, we also sell a Fusion Sport, which is closer to the original formula, and less expensive. If you also have a family, we have a full line of excellent family-friendly crossover and sedan vehicles that are the safest, most fuel efficient, and most reliable and high quality Fords ever produced. We look forward to seeing you!

Sincerely Yours,

Ford Motor Company
 
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Best looking Ford in many years!
 
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Its hardly full-sized. My Caprice dwarfs it.

So lets see see from GM for $38k I can get
420hp LS3
6sp Tremec manual
Better brakes than the Taurus
Nurburgring (sp?) tuned suspension

The similarly priced GXP will eat the SHO alive on any performance metric. The much cheaper G8 GT.

Don't get me wrong, Taurus makes a great family vehicle and I'd pick it over a Fusion (even the new one), Malibu, Impala, or any other FWD vehicle. But when you get that high in price and start pretending its a competitor to RWD V8 performance vehicles, it loses its impressiveness.
Does the G8 have AWD?

Then it isn't a competitor. Keep dreaming.
 
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this car is not overpriced. The G8 GT has great performance but lacks a TON of features. You just cant compare hp and then say "the G8 is a way better value". No its not. The G8 lacks 8 way seats, nav, memory, auto dim rear view mirror, HIDs, standard 19" wheels, Sync and other stuff that is standard or optional on the SHO. This car is WAY better equipped than the G8 even if its a little slower. Its also going to get better mileage.
 
Does the G8 have AWD?

Then it isn't a competitor. Keep dreaming.
Does the Taurus have RWD and a V8? Then its not a competitor. Keep dreaming.

So when the cheaper G8 GT outperforms the expensive Taurus SHO at least you can say "but I have AWD!!!!".

Besides, what exactly is so great about AWD? Sure its better than FWD, but that's not saying much. It adds weight, parasitic losses, and drivetrain complexity (and more complex = more expensive to maintain and more points of failure to affect reliability). A good traction control system and good tires on RWD makes it 90% of AWD with none of the downsides. 4WD > RWD > AWD > FWD.

I've driven in some terrible climates in Chicago, and northern Wisconsin. In over 2 years with my Avalanche I can count the number of times when road conditions required 4WD on one hand.
 
this car is not overpriced. The G8 GT has great performance but lacks a TON of features. You just cant compare hp and then say "the G8 is a way better value". No its not. The G8 lacks 8 way seats, nav, memory, auto dim rear view mirror, HIDs, standard 19" wheels, Sync and other stuff that is standard or optional on the SHO. This car is WAY better equipped than the G8 even if its a little slower. Its also going to get better mileage.
You can get all that on a Charger R/T and still have a cheaper and faster vehicle with identical fuel economy.

The G8 is a better value because you can have a faster and bigger car for significantly less $.
 
Does the Taurus have RWD and a V8? Then its not a competitor. Keep dreaming.

So when the cheaper G8 GT outperforms the expensive Taurus SHO at least you can say "but I have AWD!!!!".

Besides, what exactly is so great about AWD? Sure its better than FWD, but that's not saying much. It adds weight, parasitic losses, and drivetrain complexity (and more complex = more expensive to maintain and more points of failure to affect reliability). A good traction control system and good tires on RWD makes it 90% of AWD with none of the downsides. 4WD > RWD > AWD > FWD.

I've driven in some terrible climates in Chicago, and northern Wisconsin. In over 2 years with my Avalanche I can count the number of times when road conditions required 4WD on one hand.
Does the G8 have that good of an interior? nope
 
Only one problem...in 3 years its dead along with all of Zeta.
That isn't true.

wescoent said:
Does the G8 have AWD?

Then it isn't a competitor. Keep dreaming.
Why must the rest of the country (not affected by snow)
have to put up with this over hyped over complex pretender? It may be quick in a straight line (but still slower than the Falcon :p:) but it is going to be a lead tipped arrow. Perhaps it has sufficient electronics to resist the laws of physics, but eventually the fig newtons will get it.

In case anyone missed my comparison of the vaunted DI Ecoboost "game changer" to Australia's I6T, here it is:

mikmak said:
leftlanenews said:
The foundation of the 2010 Taurus SHO is a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged EcoBoost V6 engine, which delivers 365 horsepower at 5,500 rpm and 350 pound-feet of torque at 3,500 rpm.
You know it isn't often that I am willing to admit that I am wrong, but in this case I have to concede. I was under the impression that Ecoboost would equal the Falcon BARRA T I6.

Unfortunately (for someone ), it doesn't quite make the grade:
Ford FG Falcon XR6 6M (power and torque figures are the same for 6A ZF transmission)
Power 270kW @ 5250rpm <---2kw less than Taurus
Torque 533Nm @ 2000-4750rpm <---43ftlbs (or 59kW or 12%) more than Taurus, available 1500 rpm earlier.
Let's not forget that the XR6 Turbo is considerably lighter than the Taurus. Admittedly, according to reports, the fuel efficiency advantage that Falcon has over the Taurus, may be as little as 1 MPG or as large as 3, but trying to create a parity between Australian Design Rules and EPA ratings is like cutting your steak with an emery board.:lmao:

Did I mention that the XR6 Turbo costs the same as a SS Commodore (not 20% more)?
 
Does the Taurus have RWD and a V8? Then its not a competitor. Keep dreaming.

So when the cheaper G8 GT outperforms the expensive Taurus SHO at least you can say "but I have AWD!!!!".

Besides, what exactly is so great about AWD? Sure its better than FWD, but that's not saying much. It adds weight, parasitic losses, and drivetrain complexity (and more complex = more expensive to maintain and more points of failure to affect reliability). A good traction control system and good tires on RWD makes it 90% of AWD with none of the downsides. 4WD > RWD > AWD > FWD.

I've driven in some terrible climates in Chicago, and northern Wisconsin. In over 2 years with my Avalanche I can count the number of times when road conditions required 4WD on one hand.
I would never buy a year-round car without AWD, nor do I know anyone without at least one AWD car in the garage.

Good traction control with good tires? Yeah, don't think so... RWD is certainly feasible in the snow, but it doesn't perform like AWD. Not to mention the neutral handling characteristics of a properly set up AWD system on dry pavement.

The SHO is for customers who want performance, luxury, and good fuel economy. The G8 delivers only performance... hence, they are not TRUE competitors. GM doesn't build a car like this.
 
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