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GM 3.6L - timing chain problems?

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#1 ·
After looking at many SUVs I keep coming back to GM's Acadia. GM sure did their homework on these things a very nice unit. However I've read quite a few issues with the 3.6 engine they use in the Lambda's and other GM products. Issues with the timing chaings stretching, camshaft endplay, cylinder heads etc. I know they have built over a 600,000 Lambada's with this engine and who knows how many other vehicles.

How common are these issues? Was there certain years or plants that had the problematic engines?
 
#178 ·
Dear General Motors Customer:
This notice is sent to inform you that General Motors is conducting a Customer Satisfaction
Program that affects 2007 model year GMC Acadia; Saturn OUTLOOK; 2007-2009 model year
Cadillac CTS, SRX, STS; 2009 model year Buick Enclave; Chevrolet Traverse; GMC Acadia;
and Saturn OUTLOOK vehicles equipped with a V6 engine.

Your vehicle was designed and built to meet GM's high standards for quality and reliability.
However, we have determined that under certain driving conditions, and with extended oil
change intervals, the timing chain could wear prematurely and cause the illumination of the
Service Engine Soon light. Timing chain wear can be affected by the age of the engine oil and
driving conditions.

WOW!!! I mean FREAKING WOW!!! :clap::clap::clap:
:bounce:
:bounce:

Its like I wrote it! Could someone from GM corporate acutally be monitoring these threads? ;)


WAY TO GO GM!

This is
1) The Right thing to do,
2) The cost effective thing to do and is
3) SMART VERY SMART!

This is something that we would have NEVER seen from "old GM"... definately a glimmer of light.
 
#179 · (Edited)
One question I have.................... How can a vehicle with 4000 miles on it, not be "maintained" properly?? Did they run it in the Daytona 500, to abuse it that badly, in 4000 miles??

So, they are recalibrating the oil life monitor.

Hmmmm.................

I can see where this is going, however. Owners had better keep real good track of their oil changes, or have them all done at the dealership. Otherwise, in the future, you may see warranty claims for timing chains being denied, due to "abuse."
 
#180 ·
I can see where this is going, however. Owners had better keep real good track of their oil changes, or have them all done at the dealership. Otherwise, in the future, you may see warranty claims for timing chains being denied, due to "abuse."
I am not excited about this prospect, as I enjoy maintaining vehicles myself. Of course, I have the cylinder lock recall to deal with first.
 
#182 ·
Bottom line? check the oil every 2000 miles or once every two months...(if you drive the average of 1000 miles a month) and you'll be fine..

Disregard checking the oil every 2000 miles and you might have problems...with any vehicle.

Pretty simple normal maintaince.

JMO
 
#183 ·
Good move by the General - lower the expected oil quality compliance and cover at least some of the cases with sub spec oil.

Related, another shoe recently fell - Mobil 'now' offers 'formally' for the first time in history a non M1 fully synthetic motor oil ( non deros compliant / USA definition only ) under the new " Super " line of PCMO.

Furthermore, as of last week, only one specific M1 5w -30 product is labeled deros compliant.

Now with all that sorted out ..........
 
#184 ·
Maybe I should be thankful my Subaru has a timing belt...while I actually have to change it I know for certain that it doesn't have to be replaced for 105k miles
 
#185 ·
Hmmmm.... an extra 800 -1600 -2000.00 $ can also buy a bunch of 'extra' oil changes - yes ?

Or better yet, save 400 and spend 400 - and come out ahead all around.
 
#186 ·
Well so much for people saying this was all fabricated and not really a big deal on the 3.6 engines. Apparently GM has concerns about it!

I hope this "fix" truly helps but I still think the timing chain is on the weak side for this engine.

I did buy an SUV but ended up passing on the Acadia in the end, wife liked something else a bit better.
 
#187 ·
congratulations on buying a new CUV...I'm sure its great. As far as GM's 3.6 liter v6? If you own the vehicle...change the oil at correct intervals and HERE IS THE BIG ONE...

CHECK THE OIL EVERY MONTH, ONCE A MONTH....YOU WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM..

Hell if your too lazy to check it every month...then check it every two months...

With the extended intervals people are not bothering to check their oil...AT ALL and that a really stupid way to take care of a vehicle..

I have no oil consumption at all in my 3.6 liter Direct Injection AWD CTS and this is one bad @ss ride..

I love it. For those that prefer other brands such as ford or toyota...

Good luck! (and they are nice rides too)

JB
 
#188 ·
I doubt the Lexus owners manual states the customer should check their oil every month, otherwise possible Timing Chain failure could occur.

We arent selling big block 4 barrell Chevy's anymore - A Buick customer shouldnt need to open the hood to prevent catastrophic engine failure.

I have no problem weeding around and do look at things - but this TSB *confirms* there is an issue and also is a cop out to make the oil change indicator come on sooner.
 
#191 ·
Still does not explain it. The timing chain is a symptom, not the issue. It seems as though the engine will work fine so long as the engine does not burn oil (oil starvation). This is the hit and miss part. Read some engines don't burn.... my CTS does. Quart and a half in under 4,000 miles. Not happy about that at all.

These are the things that get you looking at other manufacturers. Especially when I have an oil burner now that just turned 12 thousand miles in near 2 years of ownership. The 5yr/100k warranty is not worth a penny to me.

Give me a freakin' CTS with a NA LS engine GM.
 
#195 · (Edited)
Actually..... the bigger issue is in layman's terms oil 'evaporation'.

Two oil specs that matter related to that ie 'NOACK' and then differently and a little more indirectly but with no loss of importance, 'HTHS'.

Here -

ASTM D5800 - 10

ASTM D5800 - 10 Standard Test Method for Evaporation Loss of Lubricating Oils by the Noack Method

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Significance and Use

The evaporation loss is of particular importance in engine lubrication. Where high temperatures occur, portions of an oil can evaporate.

Evaporation may contribute to oil consumption in an engine and can lead to a change in the properties of an oil.

Many engine manufacturers specify a maximum allowable evaporation loss.

Some engine manufacturers, when specifying a maximum allowable evaporation loss, quote this test method along with the specifications.

Procedure C, using the Selby-Noack apparatus, also permits collection of the volatile oil vapors for determination of their physical and chemical properties. Elemental analysis of the collected volatiles may be helpful in identifying components such as phosphorous, which has been linked to premature degradation of the emission system catalyst.

1. Scope

1.1 This test method covers three procedures for determining the evaporation loss of lubricating oils (particularly engine oils). Procedure A uses the Noack evaporative tester equipment; Procedure B uses the automated non-Woods metal Noack evaporative apparatus; and Procedure C uses Selby-Noack volatility test equipment. The test method relates to one set of operating conditions but may be readily adapted to other conditions when required.

1.2 Noack results determined using Procedures A and B show consistent differences. Procedure A gives slightly lower results versus Procedure B on formulated engine oils, while Procedure A gives higher results versus Procedure B on basestocks.

1.3 The values stated in SI units are to be regarded as standard. No other units of measurement are included in this standard.

1.4 This standard does not purport to address all of the safety concerns, if any, associated with its use. It is the responsibility of the user of this standard to establish appropriate safety and health practices and determine the applicability of regulatory limitations prior to use.


2. Referenced Documents

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D4057 Practice for Manual Sampling of Petroleum and Petroleum Products
D4177 Practice for Automatic Sampling of Petroleum and Petroleum Products
D6299 Practice for Applying Statistical Quality Assurance and Control Charting Techniques to Evaluate Analytical Measurement System Performance
D6300 Practice for Determination of Precision and Bias Data for Use in Test Methods for Petroleum Products and Lubricants
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DIN12785 Specifications for Glass Thermometers

Index Terms

evaporation loss of lubricants; Noack volatility; volatility of lubricants; Evaporation loss; Lubricating oils; Noack method; ICS Number Code 75.100 (Lubricants, industrial oils and related products)

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API / SM GF4 specs allow up to a 15 % evaporation loss under less than rigorous conditions and length of time - which we can charitably label as major fail number one. (Actually that's a bit too kind because API SM is a major fail, period.) Anyway, this spec failure is then compounded in several ways - including failure to use an API / SM (GF4) PCMO in a GM product that also as required, meets the correct GM spec.

Also -

Research Finds 16% of SM Oils are Flawed

By Lisa Tocci

Research by a leading independent testing company shows quality control issues for North American passenger car engine oils last year. Of 250 engine oils that claimed to meet the API SM specification, 16 percent were outside one or more of the specification limits identified on their labels, according to data provided to Lube Report by the Institute of Materials.

Forty of the oil samples tested failed some part of the SM specification, said Mary Herrmann, IOM general manager in Midland, Mich. Of these, 37 products carried the American Petroleum Institute's "donut" logo, and 22 bore the Starburst logo signifying they met the ILSAC GF-4 standard as well.

Established by Ted Selby and part of Savant Group, IOM has been gathering and testing samples of off-the-shelf engine oils since 1984, when it tested 100 products. It steadily increased the scope of testing to where it now includes 650 annual samples, and gathers products from North America, Western Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. It performs over 30 analyses on each sample, then publishes the results in an annual engine oil database available on a subscription basis at www.IOMdata.com.

IOM compares its test results to published specification limits such as provided by API, SAE, ILSAC, ACEA and others. "If any of the oils fall outside the specification limits in testing, we retest to confirm data and report both values," Herrmann said. "In this way, those reviewing the data can form their own opinions."

She said that it's important to note that "the goal of the IOM database is to provide an unbiased tool to help companies in the development of quality lubricants. One way it is used is to identify problem areas, enabling companies to lift the overall quality of oils in the marketplace.

"Attention to engine oil quality is growing," Herrmann said, pointing to IOM data that shows a reduction in out-of-spec engine oils, from 33 percent of samples tested in 2005, to 28 percent in 2006, 32 percent in 2007, 21 percent in 2008 and 16 percent in 2009.

"This shows the challenge for API. They also gather samples from the marketplace and do testing, but we're still seeing oils that are off-spec which carry the ILSAC and API marks on the labels," she conceded.

Herrmann's comments echoed some of those made by Tom Glenn of the Petroleum Quality Institute of America, reported in last week's issue (see "Motor Oil Buyers, Beware").

"We do agree with Tom that it is important for the label to accurately reflect what is in the bottle. His example of the [product called] U.S. Economy 5-30 is a good case in point, and consumers should be aware of misleading or fraudulent claims," Herrmann commented. "IOM and Tom also are on common ground on the importance of oil quality monitoring."

Lube Report's article last week spurred Selby and Herrmann to check the broad IOM database for its own results on the named products. The data showed these same products to be out of specification – and for reasons more significant than those spotlighted by PQIA.

"For example, Tom Glenn reported that both O'Reilly 5W-30 and Road-Tech 5W-30 failed to meet the specifications for API SM and ILSAC GF-4, as the oils were labeled," Herrmann noted. "His observation was that the O'Reilly 5W-30 [marketed by O'Reilly Auto Parts] failed the volatility limit of 15 percent loss. However, his web site showed that the test result was only 15.6 percent for Noack volatility – just barely outside the 15 percent limit and technically within the reproducibility precision range of the ASTM method. -

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001846534.cfm?x=bcH1Grq,bd1Rfpn,w
 
#192 ·
GM has had a very limited issue with the 2002 Ecotec engine. It had an improperly sized oil squirter and it would make the timing chain explode over time.

Now, it just sounds like the chain is being stretched over time. Either its being stressed too much or its getting too hot and causing the links to stretch. Id like to see how much a stretched chain gains in length.
 
#193 ·
If the owners run the vehicle without oil it causes the timing chain to stretch..LOL

Not brain surgery....keep oil in the engine.

On a side note..it was toyota and lexus that ran into sludge ruining their motors so don't try and sell any thing about lexus motors being better..LOL
 
#196 ·
Who said they were better?

Dude - just admit your defending the engine was wrong. GM knows there is an issue and is taking baby steps to avoid having to do a bigger timing chain recall.

GM wants to be known as a world class builder of automobiles like LEXUS is considered right now. Asking customers to check their oil every month to avoid catastrophic engine failure is NOT world class. Toyota BTW did issue a recall to fix/refund money for owners of those 'sludge' engines - where is GM with this problem? Change the oil more often *owner* and check the oil every month *owner*.
 
#194 ·
Yep.............. your right. It is all the owners fault.

Now, I would like you to explain that to the guy whos timing chain failed at 4000 miles. Call him a bunch of derogatory names, and tell him he didn't check his oil often enough.............. which is the only reason he had this problem.

I am sure he would agree with you. :rolleyes:

GM has just admitted there is a problem. JB sits here with his hands over his ears, his eyes closed, and loudly repeating "Lalalalalalalalalalalalalala........... I can't hear you......... Lalalalalalalalala............ my CTS is the best thing ever made........... Lalalalalalalala............ my master, super guru, most fabulousest ever mechanic said there is no issue what-so-ever.......... Lalalalalalalala !!!!!"
 
#197 · (Edited)
You can be sarcastic if you like...yet I am sure ford, Mercedes, BMW, Audi toyota, Chrysler all have a percentage of powertrain failures...

I would suggest that 99 percent of the time when it comes to GM timing chain stretching its because the owners are not checking the oil between the extended oil change intervals..

Letting the engines run dry or very low in oil. Dude...thats common sense...Used to be a driver would check the oil at every gas fillup...Now I'm suggesting every 1000 or 2000 miles...and people like the gentleman above are freaking out that it shouldn't be necessary...(whats wrong with this picture??)

Dude....You own a car...you check the oil every 1000 or 2000 miles...if not..then you bear the responsibility of engine damage...it was always that way before everyone got too fat and lazy to even check your cars oil level once every month or two


I realize that people prefer to create a negative wind as they troll and I apologize if giving actual logic deters the trolling effect.

Its never all or nothing...its rarely just one thing....but one of the major flaws of car ownership in america is owners don't care for their products...

Lack of oil changes or in this case...lack of checking the oil at reasonable intervals is more a culprit than manufacturer error..

Do you own a GM product? or are you just a ford troll?

To the ford trolls...I'd like to see the ford ecoboost reliability ratings after 5 years.. and we can have a really good laugh.....
 
#198 · (Edited)
When the engine in my $50 thousand dollar Cadillac starts acting like a 230 I6 from 1970 JBsZ06, there is a problem. Sorry, but what you suggest as a solution should not be needed in the first place. I have 50,000 reasons to expect I do not need to look under the hood once a month to make sure my "state of the art" engine is not evaporating/burning/smoking the RP I put into it.

It is very disappointing.

And then I go the the Dodge site and build a 2011 Charger R/T Max AWD, with one less gear, but with all the following my CTS4 does not have: a V8 with 70 more hp and over 100 ft/lb more torque, better Nappa leather, back up camera, heated rear seats, power folding mirrors, proximity keyless entry, heated steering wheel, power tilt and telescoping wheel, power adjustable pedals and blind spot detection.... FOR $39,370.

Mind you, none of that was available on the CTS in 2009, and only the heated steering wheel is today, but the rain sense wipers I have are gone.
 
#199 ·
I'm suggesting that checking the oil is a responsibility of automobile ownership..

Trust me BMW famous inline Six needs its oil to monitored and so do lexus V6's..

Oil engine sludge problems really plagued lexus,toyota etc..blah..blah..blah...but getting back to GM specific discussions...

To assume ownership of any automobile and NOT check the oil every one or two thousand miles..is INSANE..

Are you people for real? You don't check the oil of your cars? and you think because you spent 50 grand it means you don't check the oil?

ARE YOU REALLY SUGGESTING THIS?

BTW..barry...a quart every 2500 miles of driving is excellent...and your disappointed?






When the engine in my $50 thousand dollar Cadillac starts acting like a 230 I6 from 1970 JBsZ06, there is a problem. Sorry, but what you suggest as a solution should not be needed in the first place. I have 50,000 reasons to expect I do not need to look under the hood once a month to make sure my "state of the art" engine is not evaporating/burning/smoking the RP I put into it.

It is very disappointing.
 
#200 · (Edited)
JB, I have a 9 year old LS1 that uses no oil. Absolutely none. Had a previous LS1 and a 5.3l in a Sierra that used zero oil. A 2005 Northstar that uses no oil. The last two cars I had that used oil were a 2005 325ci, and it did not start burning until after 70k miles and the aforementioned 230 I6, from 40 years ago. That was more because you could not keep the head gasket on the damn thing.

My point is that I should not have to look at all between oil changes. If you make an algorithm that says I can go 12,000 on an oil change, it had better be able to do just that. Repeatedly. Engines today should not have oil the magically disappears over the course of 3000 miles, sorry.

Do I check my oil regularly? Absolutely. Do I enjoy doing it in a non heated garage when it is 15 degrees outside? No, I do not. I would prefer if i could count on a GM engine to not evaporate or whatever that much oil in between oil changes. Otherwise, I have to build a heated garage, and I am not interested in doing that right now.

And yes, I am supposedly buying a quality product that should work as well as other GM products that cost tens of thousands less, so for 50000, it damn well better not eat oil. Just how i feel, JB.

EDIT: and no, I do not go 12,000 between oil changes. 5,000 is the average, and i use RP.
 
#202 · (Edited)
Barry, With all due respect and just another guy hanging out who digs cars...I'm really suggesting that checking the oil is part of any automobile ownership experience irregardless of computer technology or how much you spend on the vehicle.

This really is a conceptual shift from what we have known for all the years..the many decades of automobile ownership irregardless of the brand...and even though some cars never need to add oil between changes...its impreative to check in case some motors do..

The issue of timing chains is really based on people who now believe they don't have to check the oil a) because they spent x number of dollars, or B) because the oil is being monitored for oil life calculations on the Driver information system.

All I'm suggesting is that checking the oil on a periodic basis such as once a month or once every two months is part of and always has been a part of automobile ownership.

Doesn't matter if its a hundred grand Bimmer, a 70 grand Lexus, a 20 grand vw or a 50 grand cadillac..

Its just good common sense especially since people are spending their hard earned money on the vehicles..

I think gas stations will do it for free when you fill up with gasoline...

It used to be that way before self service gas stations took over in many states....

but thats a whole other discussion..

Check the oil levels makes the most sense...Lets agree to disagree and I wish you well.

To Goochman...I can only suggest that you realize that GM is aware that owners of vehicles such as yourself are NOT checking the oil between extended oil changes.. which is ridiculous. They have since suggested that the ECM is altered ..thats not exactly the mechanical theory you have proposed....

Its basically changing the parameters the computer reads and sees..Its not anything to replace or repair mechanically.

Are you aware of that? Do you understand how GM is addressing the issue of drivers NOT checking the oil levels between extended oil life intevals?

I'll just recommend that checking the oil levels of any car every 1000 or 2000 miles is common sense...and wish you the best..

please accept my apology for introducing common sense logic for responsible automotive ownership...

JB, I have a 9 year old LS1 that uses no oil. Absolutely none. Had a previous LS1 and a 5.3l in a Sierra that used zero oil. A 2005 Northstar that uses no oil. The last two cars I had that used oil were a 2005 325ci, and it did not start burning until after 70k miles and the aforementioned 230 I6, from 40 years ago. That was more because you could not keep the head gasket on the damn thing.

My point is that I should not have to look at all between oil changes. If you make an algorithm that says I can go 12,000 on an oil change, it had better be able to do just that. Repeatedly. Engines today should not have oil the magically disappears over the course of 3000 miles, sorry.

Do I check my oil regularly? Absolutely. Do I enjoy doing it in a non heated garage when it is 15 degrees outside? No, I do not. I would prefer if i could count on a GM engine to not evaporate or whatever that much oil in between oil changes. Otherwise, I have to build a heated garage, and I am not interested in doing that right now.

And yes, I am supposedly buying a quality product that should work as well as other GM products that cost tens of thousands less, so for 50000, it damn well better not eat oil. Just how i feel, JB.
 
#203 ·
Oil evaporation... come on that's a stretch. I've read many posts from owners that changed their oil frequently and still had the timing chain go out of spec with very low miles. My old GM minivan still can go between oil changes with out adding oil. GM builds a good engine like anyone else. Unfortunately the 3.6 has some issues, GM knows it and many of their customers know it now..
 
#204 · (Edited)
The issue is that car owners today don't check their oil. The oil change intervals are extended and therefore people are driving around without proper oil levles..

ITs NOT evaporation...Oil gets consumed and OIL LEVLES NEED to be MONITORED ...

ITs not rocket science...! Its just something that 99 percent of the owners who are claiming a concern are refusing to do..

Self serving gas stations make it even worse.. People just are refusing common sense and not checking their oil every few thousand miles...one thousand, two thousand...even three thousand miles would be fine...(although I'm not a fan of 3 thousand mile checks)

the oil today is designed along with the engines to be as fuel efficient as possible...minimizing drag...so oil can get burned ..so check oil levels every 2000 miles and own any vehicle with greater confidence.. LOL

.
 
#208 ·
Still got to say to check your oil. I do it every 3 weeks in both the G8 and Terrain. Its just an easy 15 second check to make sure you have the proper amount of oil.

Now, Im not saying that is the problem with the 3.6 but it can be one part of the equation.

Personally, I think that there is something else going on inside the engine aside from the oil and oil used up.
 
#209 ·
JBsZ06,

You used to have to 'light' your headlights, crank the engine, and a # of other things. As we have progressed with technology alot of this has gone by the wayside. GM provides an 'Oil Life Monitor' which for the most part should give the owner enough information on when to change it. Checking the oil is not done for free at gas stations anymore - You live near NJ where that is still available since in NJ they feel that owners cant pump their own gas - however in the rest of the USA you're lucky to get the guy behind the glass to ring you up let alone check your oil.

Monthly oil checks is a thing of the past in modern automobiles - you represent a small minority of Cadillac and Buick owners that want to muck around - the majority of luxury owners dont like messing under the hood. I know its hard for you to understand that since its common sense that every owner go check the oil every 1000 miles.

I would imagine if you surveyed most car owners I would bet 3000 miles would be the minimum they would consider needing to check the stick.

I will also point out that this 'oil check' requirement will now impact the resale value of my vehicle. Anyone thinking of buying a 3.6 based vehicle will need to make sure timely oil changes were done and that the owner was pretty diligent on checking the level every month. Of course - what happened between when they bought the car and the Oil Level monitor gave them 8k between changes and now it says say 6k means the vehicle was abused and worth less.
 
#210 ·
As I have said before, I have owned one vehicle that used oil, and that started at 95K miles, and it wasn't much (1/2 qt between 3000 mile oil changes).

I don't tolerate oil consumption. Unequal oil consumption shows that tollerances in the engines are allowed to get too large, before molds are changed (yes, they "age and wear out). It shows a lack of quality control at the most basic level.

As someone who owned an auto repair and towing business for 9 years, we are meticulous about maintenance with our vehicles. Yet, no matter what, we have never had a newer vehicle that used oil.

Thus, one has to conclude one of a few things, based on this issue with the 3.6L.

1) Only owners of 3.6L equipped vehicles are dumb and lazy and don't check their oil. Otherwise, all engines would be having this problem.

2) Only the GM 3.6L engine uses a "magically" evaporating oil. It is a super special, super duper oil, that turns an otherwise pedestrian engine, into a super hero. The one downside being its propensity to disappear all on its own.

3) There is an underlying design/quality control issue with the 3.6L V6, that causes oil starvation to the timing chain, which can cause premature, or severely premature chain failure.

What vehicles I own (I do own one GM and 2 Fords), has nothing to do with the fact that as a mechanic, and a mechanical person, the thought of a new engine that eats its own oil, and self destructs is offensive to me. I don't care who makes it. Modern engines are built to much higher tollerances than older engines were, so there is no excuse for this. Can every manufacturer have a few "bad" engines that squeek out.............. yes. However, this problem is not a "few." This is a pattern of bad engines that are now going to be bandaided by reflashing the oil monitor. This does nothing to fix the underlying issue. What it does do, is set up the owners for the blame. After all, GM is getting tired of $4000 repairs on this engine, and certainly has no intention of fixing all of them.

It would seem that they have learned alot from Toyota, on issues like this.

Do understand that anyone who has wrenched for a living, does not suffer poor engine design well. We are the ones with the skinned knuckles, who get to deal with the aftermath. Plus, if you work for a dealership, warranty work pays very poorly.
 
#213 · (Edited)
After hanging out and reading this thread...I like BMW's solution ..removing the dipstick and installing an oil LEVEL Monitor...

As seen in this thread...many poeple no longer want to manually check their oil. Some see it as part of automobile ownership responsibility...and some see it as something they don't have to do..(which really isn't the case but....why argue)

Lets agree that an oil level monitor system would resolve the issue....since it seems some people don't want to check their oil level in their expensive vehicles..

Lifes moving too fast I guess for some.. texting instead of talking on the phone...and the list goes on and on...

Untill GM and other manufacturers put OIL LEVEL monitors in their vehicles like BMW had to do...because consumers were not checking the oil levels.... it would make sense to MANUALLY spend the 15 seconds once every couple of thousand miles to make sure there is a proper oil level in their vehicles..

Good shooting the breeze with you guys


It seems old school logic could prevail in this instance..

Owners who now have extended oil change range may not have thought it necessary with their past vehicles to check the oil level between previously shorter interval oil changes but it is...

The new 3.6 liter Direct injection V6 gets synethic (SP) oil change intervals...(not dino oil interval mileage ratings which many did around 3K to 4k miles anyway...)

Bottom line...if you car still has a dipstick...check the oil level once a month or two and be smart...(every 1000 or 2000 miles at most)

Its 15 seconds and part of owning a nice car...(or even a not so nice one if you want it to keep running)
 
#217 · (Edited)
Untill GM and other manufacturers put OIL LEVEL monitors in their vehicles like BMW had to do...because consumers were not checking the oil levels.... it would make sense to MANUALLY spend the 15 seconds once every couple of thousand miles to make sure there is a proper oil level in their vehicles..
Does the 3.6L have a low oil level sensor like the 3800s started using in the '90s?

Edit:
Monitors are not a cure all. I know a lady that has TPMS on her toyota van and shows a low tire. All she does is drive to a gas station put a quarter in and start adding air until her kids say the light goes out. I could see her add oil until the light goes out also.
 
#214 ·
I will not agree that an oil level monitoring system would solve the problem................ but thanks for playing.

Since lazy, non oil checking and changing buyers ONLY buy GM vehicles with the 3.6L engine, maybe GM should impliment some sort of training program, or a test/proof that they are responsible, before they allow them to purchase.

This along with the oil level monitoring system, and a live-in oil maintenance person, should eliminate the problems. :rolleyes:
 
#215 ·
If you can't check the oil in your cars engine than you deserve what happens.

Good luck...

I believe common sense prevails and checking the oil every 1000 or 2000 miles..

Do what you think is best for you.