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  • 02-24-2012, 04:06 PM
    2648562

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    hey, 2648562, did you know that your member name is "2869F2" in hexidecimal?
    and mine is 690 in Base-10 (but nobody calls me that)
    If you're talking numbers, you are talking to the wrong guy! Math/numbers have never been my strong suit.
  • 02-24-2012, 03:19 PM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    ^ hmm...I never thought of Alfa, LeSabre
    thanks for pointing that out!

    Guess the main question for you guys (& anyone else who stumbles upon this) is
    Can you see a relationship between the Z, S, & E grille treatments???
    And how that works for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2648562 View Post
    ^That looks very European, sort of Saab-ish, but it works. I'm really starting to come around to the center portion of the grille now. That's definitely unique.
    well the donor is still mostly european afaik (donor link)
    tho I DID get a some Saab vibe too when finishing (unintended but not a bad thing imho) the Swedish connection is kinda funny too
    &
    I'm glad the center portion is growing on you, 2648562 I'm sorta calling it a "cartouche" or "escutcheon" in my head
    but
    these really are just "lemonade" designs (ya know: when life gives you lemons...)
    &
    I'd still like to see 3 grille designs available on every Lincoln as trims&appearance pkgs - kinda make them less the focus of Brand identity while exploiting Art/beauty & the whole 'bespoke' thing...
    BTW
    had a thought late yesterday that maybe the ribcage grille will be the (re)start of Designer Series Lincolns ... where the designer is (TaDa) Mr. Wolff
    it'd be a way of cautiously testing the new Look
    which imho is a very Fordish approach
    (& wonder if they'll let other in-house designers get their names on a version??
    imho that'd be cool!)


    +
    hey, 2648562, did you know that your member name is "2869F2" in hexidecimal?
    and mine is 690 in Base-10 (but nobody calls me that)
  • 02-24-2012, 03:01 AM
    LeSabre

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2648562 View Post
    ^That looks very European, sort of Saab-ish, but it works. I'm really starting to come around to the center portion of the grille now. That's definitely unique.
    Looks like an Alfa Romeo Giulietta....Lincoln-fied.


    !!!
  • 02-24-2012, 12:21 AM
    2648562

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    ^That looks very European, sort of Saab-ish, but it works. I'm really starting to come around to the center portion of the grille now. That's definitely unique.
  • 02-23-2012, 08:30 PM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    not to beat a dead horse
    but
    imho a successful grille design requires being able to spin-off 'related' looks for every vehicle in the lineup
    (Lincoln's current BLOODY MESS looks like it will continue imho - can't see the ribcage grille on the Navi ... IF they ever bother to do it)


    here's an new MKE quickie-chop (C platform), same styling as my previous ones (I still like it) just a new donor
    &
    using a blended version of the last MKZ's grille plus an MKS chop I recently updated (thumbnail-link below)
    for a family tho not-identical theme



  • 02-12-2012, 11:23 AM
    2648562

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    I'd be fine with:
    if the grille went to the headlites, having sorta-clear pass-thru patches so when the HLs are lit they illuminate the center star (with a mesh grille, that'd prolley spArkle too )
    &
    elsewhere talked about having the puddle-light in the wing mirrors project a Lincoln star on the ground (see Mustang)
    That would be cool.
  • 02-12-2012, 01:35 AM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Oops missed your post
    Quote Originally Posted by 2648562 View Post
    I think I would like to see it with horizontal bars, now that you've mentioned it. Of course, in a few days you might have an even better photo to play around with.

    I was thinking about your car today, too. I know this is kind of cheesy... and it's been done... but with all the automakers being so crazy about accent lighting today... have you thought about maybe making the Lincoln emblem glow? That made me laugh as I typed it, but you know what I mean (I know it would be hard or impossible to chop). I was just thinking the emblem seems like a natural place to add some life--especially for a brand that thinks they should be techy.
    haven't tried the horizontal yet
    today got on a 'shoulda' fixation - think if Lincoln (ie Fomoco) is as uncertain of a grille/styling direction as I think,
    they shoulda just gone mesh for a cycle - on All models
    instead of "flailing" around with BOTH the vertical mini-slats AND then the horizontal within the space of a month&half...
    ...a chopper friend of mine still thinks the production Z will have some kind of vertical treatment. Who can say for sure?

    I'd be fine with:
    if the grille went to the headlites, having sorta-clear pass-thru patches so when the HLs are lit they illuminate the center star (with a mesh grille, that'd prolley spArkle too )
    &
    elsewhere talked about having the puddle-light in the wing mirrors project a Lincoln star on the ground (see Mustang)
  • 02-06-2012, 09:23 PM
    2648562

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    Thanks, 2648562, v.glad you like it
    may or maynot do one more with horizontal-ized slats - depends on what's at the Chicago show
    &
    if you want to give chopping a try, I suggest some really Oooold/free software: PaintShopPro ver 3.11 - has a very gentle learning curve
    Just spend every free moment and a bunch that aren't playing with it
    Think it took me 10+ years to even try airbrushing & 'masks'
    I think I would like to see it with horizontal bars, now that you've mentioned it. Of course, in a few days you might have an even better photo to play around with.

    I was thinking about your car today, too. I know this is kind of cheesy... and it's been done... but with all the automakers being so crazy about accent lighting today... have you thought about maybe making the Lincoln emblem glow? That made me laugh as I typed it, but you know what I mean (I know it would be hard or impossible to chop). I was just thinking the emblem seems like a natural place to add some life--especially for a brand that thinks they should be techy.

    You're 100% right about PSP, too. I had a few versions of it back in the day and I liked it quite a bit (what a value). I used to be pretty proficient with the smudge tool and clone brush (and copy and paste), but NOWHERE near as good as you and some of the others here are. I think 8.11 or 8.33 was the last version I had??? Anyhow, since discovering the DSLR and digital photography, I've been playing around with PS (at least whenever I have some decent photos to play with, which is actually pretty rare). It's frustrating compared to PSP, but there are plenty of books and tutorials out there, for what I'm doing today at least. If I ever get a strong enough urge to chop a car I'll probably take your advice, though.
  • 02-06-2012, 03:11 PM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Thanks, 2648562, v.glad you like it
    may or maynot do one more with horizontal-ized slats - depends on what's at the Chicago show
    &
    if you want to give chopping a try, I suggest some really Oooold/free software: PaintShopPro ver 3.11 - has a very gentle learning curve
    Just spend every free moment and a bunch that aren't playing with it
    Think it took me 10+ years to even try airbrushing & 'masks'
  • 02-05-2012, 04:44 PM
    2648562

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Wow man, that looks good. The headlights just fit perfectly with the grille and the rest of the design. The grille is distinctive without being gaudy, and the hood looks great too. Nice work, I wish I could do that!
  • 02-03-2012, 08:03 PM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2648562 View Post
    I like your less "fussy" hood, and the personality the headlights have. I hope you'll spend some time with it in PS because I think you're really on to something with the smaller headlights and bolder grille.
    HEY, 2648562, remember this thread?

    Thanks to Brady Holt of the Examiner for taking some much better donor photos from the DC Autoshow
    so
    back to the idea of reconciling the vertical and horizontal elements of the grille




    with this angle to work with, I modified the back half along the same lines as my MKS chop:
    with the greatly simplified 'shoulder line' fading out by the rear door,
    and instead the beltine continues to a higher trunklid
  • 01-25-2012, 03:49 PM
    cire_1wb

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    since Mr. Wolff only changed the front & rear,
    imho it was a Direct transposition of MKR styling.

    I can't imagine that the MKR's grille was changed much or else SOMEbody in the approval would've fallen in love with it (whatever it looked like ) and would've made a stink about letting the new guy at it

    imho^



    edit/btw
    re-found a post from FiN I mentioned earlier
    dug up my old MkRhinoplasty chop from December 2006




    "Hey, Max, could you come up with a new face for the MKR? We're gonna use it for the new MKZ's body."
    "Sure ... if you let me do the back too."
    "What's wrong with the back?"
    "Not much - it's just a little plain."
    "OK."
    To sum up my feelings on the front end design: It looks rather weak and it doesn't look like "Lincoln" to me. I love the rest of the design though. I would like to see Lincoln continue the practice of putting the Lincoln badge on the front fenders though; I always liked that particular design cue.

    As far as the split wing grille: It was perfected on the 2013 MKS. I really think it doesn't need to be tweaked beyond that. If the original front end design of the 2013 MKZ was close to that of the 2013 MKS, then Lincoln should have left it alone.

    By the way, I like your chop of the MKR Concept. The size of the grille in your chop makes the front end look much more appealing. The MKR Concept was stunningly gorgeous, but that huge grille was hideous.
  • 01-24-2012, 10:32 PM
    2b2

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by cire_1wb View Post
    ...I think very highly of Mr. Wolff and I really want to see Lincoln become relevant again, but it worries me that this is his solution for the front end and that Lincoln executives were awed by it. I would love to see what the front end actually looked like before he tweaked it.
    since Mr. Wolff only changed the front & rear,
    imho it was a Direct transposition of MKR styling.

    I can't imagine that the MKR's grille was changed much or else SOMEbody in the approval would've fallen in love with it (whatever it looked like ) and would've made a stink about letting the new guy at it

    imho^



    edit/btw
    re-found a post from FiN I mentioned earlier
    dug up my old MkRhinoplasty chop from December 2006




    "Hey, Max, could you come up with a new face for the MKR? We're gonna use it for the new MKZ's body."
    "Sure ... if you let me do the back too."
    "What's wrong with the back?"
    "Not much - it's just a little plain."
    "OK."
  • 01-24-2012, 05:56 AM
    JBsZ06

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    I hear in person the Lincoln grille from detroit looks good...so hopefully this new look for lincoln will be a winner.


    Many journalists are pro lincoln revival and they have seen the product coming...

    Hope its true.
  • 01-24-2012, 02:46 AM
    cire_1wb

    Re: Fixed the new Lincoln MKZ grill

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
    THANKS, Cire
    tho still want to figure out a more patent-able Lincoln look


    edit
    (key fiddler on the roof singing Tradition)
    grille swiped from a Mark 9 concept drawing
    I think this one is my favorite. It actually looks like a Lincoln grille. I also think it is a design that would work well on both cars and crossovers (something the split wing grille doesn't seem to do at all).

    To me, that horizontal mess on the front of the MKZ Concept doesn't look like "Lincoln" at all. I know the brand is trying to reinvent itself, but horizontal grille elements seems like an answer to a question that no one asked. I love the overall look of the concept, but the front end ruins it for me. I keep trying to convince myself that it looks okay, but it just doesn't. Besides, the Ford brand uses a lot of horizontal elements on the front of its products, it seems like the vertical elements would further differentiate Lincoln from Ford (not that a grille would be all that it takes).

    I think very highly of Mr. Wolff and I really want to see Lincoln become relevant again, but it worries me that this is his solution for the front end and that Lincoln executives were awed by it. I would love to see what the front end actually looked like before he tweaked it.
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