USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

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    USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Range Fuels is building the first one in Georgia.

    Mascoma Corp. is building the second one in Michigan.

    Abengoa Bioenergy is building America's third cellulosic ethanol plant in Kansas.

    Lignol applies to build America's fourth cellulosic ethanol plant in Colorado

    Florida Crystals Corp. is bulding America's fifth cellulosic ethanol plant in Florida

    Mascoma is building America's sixth cellulosic ethanol plant in Tennessee

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mascoma Corporation, a leader in advanced low-carbon energy biotechnology, today announced that it intends to establish the country’s first operating facility producing cellulosic ethanol utilizing switchgrass as feedstock. The project represents one of the largest commitments of capital yet made in support of the cellulosic biofuels industry.

    Mascoma and The University of Tennessee plan to jointly build and operate the five million gallon per year cellulosic biorefinery. Construction is expected to begin by the end of 2007 and the facility will be operational in 2009.
    Mascoma is building America's seventh cellulosic ethanol plant in New York

    Mascoma has begun construction on its first facility announced in 2006, a multi-feedstock demonstration-scale biorefinery located in Rome, New York. This project is being developed in partnership with the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority and the New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets.

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Don't see how the oil companies can stop this. Distribution is the only strangle hold they have but that is the cheapest to overcome....
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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    How many of these plants will we need before they actually make a dent in our oil consumption??

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Quote Originally Posted by psece
    Don't see how the oil companies can stop this. Distribution is the only strangle hold they have but that is the cheapest to overcome....
    Originally not being able to pipe ethanol was a problem.
    But it's looking like these plants are going to pop up all over the place.
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    Can't wait for bluecon to come in and tell us how horrible this is for humanity.
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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Quote Originally Posted by maksik7
    How many of these plants will we need before they actually make a dent in our oil consumption??
    every one makes a dent. i have the feeling cellulosic ethanol and biodiesel are going to sneak up on the majority of the population, and all of a sudden it will be obvious that we can have the capability to stop importing oil if we want to.

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53
    Originally not being able to pipe ethanol was a problem.
    But it's looking like these plants are going to pop up all over the place.
    On Speed's Auto Line Detroit it was stated that ethanol has issues being moved, thus you would see smaller refinery facilities closely located with the source and the retail side.

    I hope little business gets this thing rocking and starts to put a hit into big oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewGS
    Can't wait for bluecon to come in and tell us how horrible this is for humanity.
    OK. There you go.

    "Biofuels 'Emit More Greenhouse Gases than Fossil Fuels'

    A team of researchers led by Nobel-prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen has found that growing and using biofuels emits up to 70 percent more greenhouse gases than fossil fuels. They are warning that the cure could end up being worse than the disease.

    Biofuels, once championed as the great hope for fighting climate change, could end up being more damaging to the environment than oil or gasoline. A new study has found that the growth and use of crops to make biofuels produces more damaging greenhouse gases than previously thought."

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...508089,00.html

    Will Biofuels Starve the Developing World?
    By Lester Brown
    Biofuels sound like a good idea -- but they could hike the price of staple grain crops like wheat and corn beyond the reach of the world's poor. What if the defining problem of the 21st century is a showdown between food and fuel?

    In agricultural terms, the world appetite for automotive fuel is insatiable. The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol will feed one person for a year. The grain it takes to fill the tank every two weeks over a year will feed 26 people."
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...479940,00.html

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    I'm beginning to think more and more, that bluecon must have a sizeable chunk of his retirement crammed into oil company stocks. As renewables expand to make big oil obsolete, he sees his futre retirement money vanishing in an oily cloud of acrid smoke.
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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Quote Originally Posted by bluecon
    OK. There you go.

    "Biofuels 'Emit More Greenhouse Gases than Fossil Fuels'

    A team of researchers led by Nobel-prize winning chemist Paul Crutzen has found that growing and using biofuels emits up to 70 percent more greenhouse gases than fossil fuels. They are warning that the cure could end up being worse than the disease.

    Biofuels, once championed as the great hope for fighting climate change, could end up being more damaging to the environment than oil or gasoline. A new study has found that the growth and use of crops to make biofuels produces more damaging greenhouse gases than previously thought."

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...508089,00.html

    Will Biofuels Starve the Developing World?
    By Lester Brown
    Biofuels sound like a good idea -- but they could hike the price of staple grain crops like wheat and corn beyond the reach of the world's poor. What if the defining problem of the 21st century is a showdown between food and fuel?

    In agricultural terms, the world appetite for automotive fuel is insatiable. The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol will feed one person for a year. The grain it takes to fill the tank every two weeks over a year will feed 26 people."
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...479940,00.html

    bluecon:

    Pay attention here. This thread is about cellulosic ethanol plants. Cellulosic ethanol plants do not use ANY grain. If you would bother to read the articles, you would learn that they use wood chips and switch grass, not corn and wheat. They also use stover, which is the part of the corn plant that does not go into Mexican tortillas; its the leftover crap that no one wants. Your post is completely off point.

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    You're right.

    "Yet it also can increase emissions of dangerous pollutants, especially at high concentrations. A recent Stanford University study showed that E85 produces so much ozone, a key ingredient in smog, that if it were used in Los Angeles instead of gasoline, it would raise ozone-related deaths 9%."


    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...ck=2&cset=true

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    Re: USA's SEVENTH' cellulosic ethanol plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman01
    I'm beginning to think more and more, that bluecon must have a sizeable chunk of his retirement crammed into oil company stocks. As renewables expand to make big oil obsolete, he sees his futre retirement money vanishing in an oily cloud of acrid smoke.
    Actually the facts are investment in ethanol is very bad.

    ""It's probably going to get worse before it gets better," said Brian Bolster, a vice president in the investment-banking division at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., which has invested in at least one ethanol plant. He nevertheless remains bullish over the long term for the industry, amid expectations of increasing government support, infrastructure improvements and other factors.
    Pure-play ethanol companies like VeraSun Energy Corp. are trying to adjust to the new market dynamics. Shares of VeraSun, of Brookings, S.D., which traded at nearly $27 a share in November, are now near their 52-week low of $10.41 reached last week, trading at $11 each in New York Stock Exchange 4 p.m. composite trading. VeraSun has said it is increasing production and making other efforts to achieve greater heft and become more economical."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1191..._us_whats_news

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