USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

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    USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Range Fuels is building the first one in Georgia.

    Mascoma Corp. is building the second one in Michigan.

    Abengoa Bioenergy is building America's third cellulosic ethanol plant in Kansas.

    Lignol applies to build America's fourth cellulosic ethanol plant in Colorado

    Florida Crystals Corp. is bulding America's fifth cellulosic ethanol plant in Florida
    The University of Florida has selected Florida Crystals Corp. as the site to build a cellulosic ethanol plant that will produce 1 million to 2 million gallons of ethanol a year, university officials said.

    The plant is financed by a $20 million state grant and will operate as a research and development lab as well as a commercial facility. It is the first of its kind in Florida. Attendees at the Monday meeting where the decision was announced said Florida Crystals was selected over the second front-runner, Memphis, Tenn.-based Buckeye Technologies, because it has a large supply of bagasse biomass and it is already in the sugar business.
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    These cellulosic ethanol plants would be great to build next to landfills or recycling centers.

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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by jkennedy293
    These cellulosic ethanol plants would be great to build next to landfills or recycling centers.
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Hoosier Ron, you seem to be all over this topic, and I'd like to get your take on an article in the WSJ today. The article dealt with a plant "Jatropha" that is a weed in India. It has oily seeds as I understand it and seems to be a great candidate for fuels. What surprised me was a chart in the article showing the cost per barrel of fuel of various biofuel feedstocks. Here's the list:

    Cellulose - $305
    Wheat - $125
    Rapeseed - $125
    Soybean - $122
    Sugar beets - $100
    Corn - $83
    Sugar Cane - $45
    Jatropha - $43

    Does this line up with what you understand to be the sitution?

    Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118788662080906716.html

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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by Havasavana
    Hoosier Ron, you seem to be all over this topic, and I'd like to get your take on an article in the WSJ today. The article dealt with a plant "Jatropha" that is a weed in India. It has oily seeds as I understand it and seems to be a great candidate for fuels. What surprised me was a chart in the article showing the cost per barrel of fuel of various biofuel feedstocks. Here's the list:

    Cellulose - $305
    Wheat - $125
    Rapeseed - $125
    Soybean - $122
    Sugar beets - $100
    Corn - $83
    Sugar Cane - $45
    Jatropha - $43

    Does this line up with what you understand to be the sitution?

    Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118788662080906716.html
    Jatropha is huge in the Third World. It can grow on (agriculturally) worthless land, of which there is plenty in India and Africa. Many countries are making governmentally coordinated efforts to massively increase jatropha production. Heck, jatropha has its own web site. It is fantastic for poor economies.

    The table is outdated regarding the cost of "cellulose". What used to make ethanol from cellulose so expensive was the cost of enzymes used to break down cell walls. However, two things have changed:

    (1) the cost of enzymes today is a fraction of what it was just a few years ago. Since 1999, the cost of enzymes has gone from around $5.25/gallon to $0.25/gallon.

    (2) science has developed alternative ways to break down cell walls, such as acid pre-wash.

    I also will note that the table is a bit misleading in that it mixes sources of ethanol with sources of biodiesel.
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    As a food self sufficiency gardener of many years I can't help but wonder and get excited about the thought of the solid waste of this process (and the algal diesel one) being useful as a soil amendment.

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    Ah yes... Good old sugar cane. This seems like a nice way to get sugar farmers off the government's tits and start making money on their own... Get rid of sugar price floors!!!

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    This is a great topic, as it's got the number of plants and counting! Ron, you awesome...
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by jkennedy293
    These cellulosic ethanol plants would be great to build next to landfills or recycling centers.
    They might as well team up with these centers, talk about reducing the costs and hopefully passing the savings onto the consumer.
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierRon
    Jatropha is huge in the Third World. It can grow on (agriculturally) worthless land, of which there is plenty in India and Africa. Many countries are making governmentally coordinated efforts to massively increase jatropha production. Heck, jatropha has its own web site. It is fantastic for poor economies.
    I see no reason why this could not become huge right here in the USA. We have lots of desert in the southwest portion of the country that would seem to be good planting grounds for the Jatropha plant. This might be the silver bullet we have been looking for in biofuels, with the low input costs and ability to grow in sub-prime agricultural areas, it is not in competition with food production. I would encourage everyone to read the Wall Street Journal article, it is very good. Again the link is: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1187...716-email.html
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    So cool. I love the idea of cellulosic - imagine we could start running our cars on something made of waste paper! Ideal!

    Up yours, OPEC!
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    Re: USA's 5th CELLULOSIC Ethanol Plant

    Quote Originally Posted by rwalth
    I see no reason why this could not become huge right here in the USA. We have lots of desert in the southwest portion of the country that would seem to be good planting grounds for the Jatropha plant. This might be the silver bullet we have been looking for in biofuels, with the low input costs and ability to grow in sub-prime agricultural areas, it is not in competition with food production. I would encourage everyone to read the Wall Street Journal article, it is very good. Again the link is: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1187...716-email.html
    Could we grow a whole lot of jatropha in the US? Yes. Silver bullet? Not even close. If you wanted to spend the time to do the math, I am sure you would discover that you would have to cover half the North American continent to get enough jatropha oil to call it a silver bullet.

    Frankly, I do not think anyone is looking for a silver bullet. We need to be looking at many, many solutions: corn ethanol, sugar ethanol, cellulosic ethanol, jatropha, algae, soy biodiesel, waste oil diesel. Add them ALL together, and we START to liberate ourselves from OPEC.

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