US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

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    US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011
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    January 12, 2012
    by Jason Siu


    US diesel sales rose 27.4-percent in 2011 while hybrid sales dropped 2.2-percent, numbers that reflect a changing automotive climate in America and fly in the face of conventional stereotypes about diesel cars.

    But thanks to offerings from BMW, Mercedes-Benz and the Volkswagen Group, diesel-powered passenger vehicle sales are on the rise in America. The 2.2-percent decrease in hybrid sales is, however, a little bit misleading, due to the earthquake and tsunami in Japan and the floods in Thailand. Both those natural disasters affected the production and availability of Americaís most popular hybrids, including ToyotaĎs Prius.

    Nonetheless, expectations are high for diesel sales with Baum and Associates stating that sales could more than double from 3-percent of the market today to 6- to 6.5-percent by 2015. J.D. Power & Associates believes the US diesel market share could increase to 7.4-percent by 2017.

    To aid in the projections, American and Japanese automakers are also expected to introduce diesel variants of their models in North America including GMís new Cadillac ATS, as well as the Chevrolet Cruze, Jeep Grand Cherokee and Mazda CX-5.

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    This can only bring one thing, more diesel options....

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    My favourite diesel is the VW Golf TDI wagon. I see a ton of these in Southern Quebec. If it weren't for space and ground clearance issues I would own one.
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by 63GrandSport001 View Post
    This can only bring one thing, more diesel options....
    I sure hope so. Its about time the US jumped on the Diesel band wagon.

    I hope GM starts offering more Diesel options like they do in Europe.

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by bone View Post
    My favourite diesel is the VW Golf TDI wagon. I see a ton of these in Southern Quebec. If it weren't for space and ground clearance issues I would own one.
    Those are extremely popular here in southern Alberta as well (Golf TDI/Golf Wagon TDI.) I've been toying with the idea of replacing our Golf with a Golf Wagon TDI but I've been holding off on that because I want to see if Buick will offer the Regal wagon in Canada some time soon.
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by ne_one View Post
    To aid in the projections, American and Japanese automakers are also expected to introduce diesel variants of their models in North America including GM’s new Cadillac ATS, as well as the Chevrolet Cruze, Jeep Grand Cherokee and Mazda CX-5.
    I sure hope we get a diesel ATS in NA! Still, GM needs some other diesels as well. Something to combat the Jetta Sportwagen (Golf Wagon), as well as the X5 35d, Toureag diesel, and ML/GL diesels.
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    A small diesel would be a natural fit in the next gen lambdas and trucks. Torque and drivability is more important in these categories, and they have the most room to benefit from the extra mpgs. It's a no brainer. 2.8 to 3.0 liters, please.

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Interesting statistics, as diesel is still priced a good 20 cents per gallon higher than 91 octane premium, at least here in SoCal.

    Anyone have data on cost vs. gasoline from elsewhere in the country?
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by vanshmack View Post
    Interesting statistics, as diesel is still priced a good 20 cents per gallon higher than 91 octane premium, at least here in SoCal.

    Anyone have data on cost vs. gasoline from elsewhere in the country?
    http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by vanshmack View Post
    Interesting statistics
    That's a common greenwashing tactic. The smaller an actual quantity is, the larger the growth percentage appears.

    When you step back to look at the numbers themselves, you'll see that even the most popular diesel (Jetta = 51,530) still hasn't reached mainstream minimum (60,000). So despite all the years of supposed progress, it's still anything resembling a surge.

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by vanshmack View Post
    Interesting statistics, as diesel is still priced a good 20 cents per gallon higher than 91 octane premium, at least here in SoCal.

    Anyone have data on cost vs. gasoline from elsewhere in the country?
    In my area (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) prices are as such:

    Regular gasoline = $105.9 to $109.9 cents/L
    Premium gasoline = $115.9 to $123.9 cents/L
    Diesel fuel = $115.9 to $119.9 cents/L
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by john1701a View Post
    That's a common greenwashing tactic. The smaller an actual quantity is, the larger the growth percentage appears.

    When you step back to look at the numbers themselves, you'll see that even the most popular diesel (Jetta = 51,530) still hasn't reached mainstream minimum (60,000). So despite all the years of supposed progress, it's still anything resembling a surge.
    If the 51,530 you posted is accurate for Jetta TDI sales that amounts to ~29% of Jetta sales. Are there any hybrid vehicles which amount to 29% of the sales for that specific model?

    Saying that diesel isn't popular because the sales haven't met some arbitrary mainstream minimum number is a bit of a stretch. When almost one third of buyers are going with a diesel option for the Jetta that should show that the diesel is quite popular.

    The most popular hybrids (Fusion and Escape) are only managing 4% of sales for those models. The biggest year over year increase for a hybrid was the Lincoln MKZ and that hybrid managed ~21% of sales for that model. The Lexus RX only does ~12%.

    If you look at one of the only vehicles with volume which comes in gasoline, diesel and hybrid options the 2011 sales show that the diesel sold ~48% while the gasoline sold ~47% while the hybrid sold ~5%. This is for the VW Touareg.
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by vanshmack View Post
    Interesting statistics, as diesel is still priced a good 20 cents per gallon higher than 91 octane premium, at least here in SoCal.

    Anyone have data on cost vs. gasoline from elsewhere in the country?
    Check out: http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

    Diesel is running about $0.50 / gallon or 6.5% more up in my area of Minnesota.

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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by calgaryhhr View Post
    If the 51,530 you posted is accurate for Jetta TDI sales that amounts to ~29% of Jetta sales. Are there any hybrid vehicles which amount to 29% of the sales for that specific model?

    Saying that diesel isn't popular because the sales haven't met some arbitrary mainstream minimum number is a bit of a stretch. When almost one third of buyers are going with a diesel option for the Jetta that should show that the diesel is quite popular.
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    Re: US Diesel Sales Surge as Hybridís Fall in 2011

    Too bad gm deemed the 4.5 d-max unessesary and not what Americans want.....

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