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    Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Truckers urge NHTSA to set fuel standards
    David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau



    Washington -- With fuel efficiency and tailpipe emissions standards in place for passenger cars and light trucks, attention has turned to regulating the nation's heaviest trucks.

    The nation's truck drivers have urged the Transportation Department to oppose legislation that would transfer authority to set fuel efficiency regulations for medium- and heavy-duty trucks to the Environmental Protection Agency.

    In a joint letter today to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, the American Truck Dealers and Owner-Operated Independent Drivers Associations urged him to oppose legislation that would strip the ability of the department to set fuel economy standards for the largest trucks on the roads.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    This is getting out of hand. While the EPA should, by its very mission, establish environmental standards for all vehicles, I have no doubt in my mind that the standards bound to be set for trucks will ruin the industry and hurt American infrastructure. Unless the EPA wants to fund the R&D for upgrading all vehicles to maintain their performance with better fuel numbers, the EPA should consider the function of these vehicles before considering the agenda implied in its mission.

    I'm all about green, but the structure of green demands on the automotive industry is incredibly costly, especially given its condition after the crippling economic downturn. Must of the R&D has evaporated into other costs, leaving little for the development of technology necessary to keep cars both functional and efficient.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Truck prices have gone up $9000+ per unit to pay for the SCR gear, tare weights have gone up due to the emissions gear, at the same time GVW's haven't increased and rates have gone down like a meteor. Allowing the EPA to regulate class 6-8 trucks will kill the trucking industry. The only ones left standing will be Mexican truckers driving their "smokers".

    Terrible idea.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I'm all about green, but the structure of green demands on the automotive industry is incredibly costly
    Even moreso for heavy trucks. The entire industry sells less trucks than most divisions at GM. Designing trucks is like VW building the Veyron, only instead of losing money on each million $+ car, they have to sell them for $100-150,000 and make money.
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    this is ridiculous it costs enough money as it is to enforce and set standards for passenger cars imagine how much the price will balloon if big tractor trailers are included in these proposed standards unless the bill is reworked this is a lousy idea
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Could someone explain where all these higher EPA standard have gotten us (USA) other than broke and in debt to the rest of the world?

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    This is getting out of hand. While the EPA should, by its very mission, establish environmental standards for all vehicles, I have no doubt in my mind that the standards bound to be set for trucks will ruin the industry and hurt American infrastructure. Unless the EPA wants to fund the R&D for upgrading all vehicles to maintain their performance with better fuel numbers, the EPA should consider the function of these vehicles before considering the agenda implied in its mission.

    I'm all about green, but the structure of green demands on the automotive industry is incredibly costly, especially given its condition after the crippling economic downturn. Must of the R&D has evaporated into other costs, leaving little for the development of technology necessary to keep cars both functional and efficient.
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinner View Post
    Truck prices have gone up $9000+ per unit to pay for the SCR gear, tare weights have gone up due to the emissions gear, at the same time GVW's haven't increased and rates have gone down like a meteor. Allowing the EPA to regulate class 6-8 trucks will kill the trucking industry. The only ones left standing will be Mexican truckers driving their "smokers".

    Terrible idea.
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    Could someone explain where all these higher EPA standard have gotten us (USA) other than broke and in debt to the rest of the world?
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    You know truckers won't take it in the shorts for long. The independents will leave the business, companies will pass the costs on, there will be more consolidation in the business and that is not good for consumers because the companies will charge more.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    As a truck driver I can personally say that trucks are more fuel efficient now then they have ever been. And no matter what you do to these vehicles, its not going to ever bring about a Class 8 truck that can get 20MPG. Commercial vehicles are pulling over 40,000 pounds of cargo behind them on a regular basis and its just not possible to vastly improve on the mileage a vehicle will get while doing that. The best thing that can be done right now is make it a requirement that every new truck produced is equipped with an Auxilary Power Unit. This would all but eliminate truck idle time, which consumes a gallon of fuel an hour.
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Quote Originally Posted by LS2KilledU View Post
    As a truck driver I can personally say that trucks are more fuel efficient now then they have ever been. And no matter what you do to these vehicles, its not going to ever bring about a Class 8 truck that can get 20MPG. Commercial vehicles are pulling over 40,000 pounds of cargo behind them on a regular basis and its just not possible to vastly improve on the mileage a vehicle will get while doing that. The best thing that can be done right now is make it a requirement that every new truck produced is equipped with an Auxilary Power Unit. This would all but eliminate truck idle time, which consumes a gallon of fuel an hour.
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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    I'm torn on this.

    One I don't see it right for the government to set standards. If they are really serious about making things more fuel efficent, the only way to fairly accomplish this is to raise fuel prices with higher gas tax. That will make people buy more efficent vehicles, look what happened when gas spiked last time. These mandatory ratings aren't right since for some the extra economy makes no sense. Take Farm trucks for example. The small amount of time and miles they get every year it makes very little difference weather they get 4 or 14 miles per gallon. Now on a over the road truck its a different story. If the fuel's high priced, more efficent trucks will sell better with out being required.

    Now for those who don't think trucks need regulated, I strongly disagree. I think shipping is one of the things that is causing a big chunk of our problems. We ship everything, and most things multiple times. For example, I was installing some running boards on a F-150. They were made in Iowa, sent to Canada for Chroming, back to Iowa for assembly and then shipped to a dealer. We are ship happy country, it used to be that more would be made locally, but now its too cheap to ship, as shipping increases, look for more local production to return.

    Also our Railroads aren't what they should be and most of this shipping is done by trucks that are far less efficent than rail shipping.

    We'll before I get too carried away, I want to restate my opinion that the only way to fix the problem effectively is to increase fuel costs. The problem with that is the economy can't afford that change right now.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    There is already emissions standards for heavy trucks. There was some heavy standards that just went into effect about two years ago. My father who is retired from Navistar told me their was a heavy push to get some trucks out before the new emission standards went into effect. The new emission standards involved catalitic coverters for heavy diesel engines and low sulfer emissions.

    As for fuel economy standards I don't see the point. Heavy trucks are not like passenger cars. People who buy passenger cars buy off of perception and emotion and tend to buy more than they need. With heavy trucks fuel economy is already a top prioity and manufactures have been on the leading edge of fuel efficiency. There are already many techologies in use in heavy tractors that haven't made it to the average joe's yet.

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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    Now I don't like over done regulation, but I don't see why we allow COMMERICAL vehicles from other countries on our roads. Also:




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    Re: Truckers Urge NHTSA to set fuel standards

    one way to improve fuel econ per TON is to increase road GCM up to a higher level and allow LCV roadtrains
    (USA 80,000 LBS GCM Canada / Mexico + some north eastern states allow 96,000 GCM)
    EPA's vision would make the Prime Mover heaver with out higher GCM means the truck moves Less tonnage per gallon of diesel burned
    one major issue is EPA / CARB were to set econ standards and then leave it up to state DOT departments to make / configure laws to allow the new and heaver / longer units on roads and there is little will out there to change DOT rules
    rumor is Obama is going to let Mexi's into US shortly
    http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_ne.../040910-01.htm
    Mexican stuff is partly junk and partly new ECE code tractors better than sold in USA


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