Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

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    Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG
    CNET
    July 29, 2011
    by Martin LaMonica

    The stringent fuel economy standards announced today will make existing auto technologies, such as start-stop hybrids, commonplace and push the industry to cut the cost of electric vehicles.

    President Obama today unveiled new corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards which will require automakers to achieve an average of 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025. The national agreement, which builds on a landmark compromise deal from 2009, will reduce oil imports, cut greenhouse gas emissions, and save consumers on average $8,000 per vehicle by 2025, the White House said in a statement.

    The new standards are considered aggressive--the average fuel economy for cars and light trucks this year is 27.3 miles per gallon--but automakers said that they are achievable with a combination of design improvements and emerging technologies.

    "While future fuel economy targets are ambitious, the proposed CAFE rule represents a national approach and provides regulatory certainty for our industry. The proposed rule includes flexibility that recognizes consumer needs and potential changes in technology and economic conditions," General Motors said in a statement.

    Rather than a dramatic shift to electric vehicles, the standards will prod automakers to consider technologies not yet used en masse, such as alternative engine designs or microhybrids. Least visible to consumers will be improvements to internal combustion engines and lighter vehicles. Traditional hybrids, which couple a gasoline engine with an electric motor, and diesels are poised for broader use as well.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Let me tell you of one "technology" that won't get them there.

    4000+lb Chargers, LaCrosses, Camaros, ect.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCritical View Post
    Let me tell you of one "technology" that won't get them there.

    4000+lb Chargers, LaCrosses, Camaros, ect.
    Bingo!

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    It's like deja vu all over again.
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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    These politicians are on crack. Im so sick of hearing about the cafe law, there are some people that don't want batteries in their cars. And besides its against my religion LOL.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    F*** CAFE!

    Abolish it now.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Vehicle Weight and Energy conservation is the key.

    It starts with E-Assist and branches to things like regenerative braking, electric motors driving power steering and air conditioning.
    They all ad up and instead of a massive jump to plug in hybrids, basic vehicles need a technology path to bring the masses along.
    Putting all of that into a well designed lighter platform makes the result even better....
    Last edited by jpd80; 07-30-2011 at 03:46 PM.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by MrCritical View Post
    Let me tell you of one "technology" that won't get them there.

    4000+lb Chargers, LaCrosses, Camaros, ect.
    But think about how great a Camaro will handle if they come up with the technologies to get it down to 2,800 lbs! Knock 100hp off the engine but with a 1,200 lbs weight reduction now you have a really fast car that handles awesomely!

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    When I consider the remarkable advances being made with batteries, fuel cells, hydrogen generation and storage, the ICE itself and more by subscribing to www.spacedaily.com and www.sciencedaily.com, I can't help but to be optimistic. Just imagine a more potent Voltec electric motor using the recent breakthroughs in cutting weight, with a biofuel diesel generator and a next-gen battery (like nano carbon-silver and others), a carbon fiber chasis and body panels, installed into a super powerful Firebird-reborn niche car for Buick!
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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by johnstarnes View Post
    When I consider the remarkable advances being made with batteries, fuel cells, hydrogen generation and storage, the ICE itself and more by subscribing to www.spacedaily.com and www.sciencedaily.com, I can't help but to be optimistic. Just imagine a more potent Voltec electric motor using the recent breakthroughs in cutting weight, with a biofuel diesel generator and a next-gen battery (like nano carbon-silver and others), a carbon fiber chasis and body panels, installed into a super powerful Firebird-reborn niche car for Buick!
    My thought is the Voltec will play a major role. GM's owns this technology and it'll be hard for the other car companies unless they want to license the Voltec technology.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by escaladelover View Post
    F*** CAFE!

    Abolish it now.
    The important thing that many in the press fail to mention in their reporting about the New CAFE rule is the fact that the new rules have been negotiate over the past year or so with all of the major auto Manufacturers from the US, Japan, Europe and Korea. The new numbers are high but they have all agreed to them. That is why representatives of every Manufacturer was present at the announcement by the President. Even Bob Lutz has said the new round of negotiations were being more fair to the US and did not give anyone an advantage in the way that it was done in the 1970's and 80's though he is still no fan of CAFE. We have got to get off of the FOREIGN Oil!!!

    The new standards are considered aggressive--the average fuel economy for cars and light trucks this year is 27.3 miles per gallon,but automakers said that they are achievable with a combination of design improvements and emerging technologies.
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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Well.. It certainly won't be with diesel engines.. Americans have resoundingly voted no with their wallets on diesels.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    More Composites, aluminum and turbo's could get them there right now... You can only get so much energy from a drop of gasoline or alcohol. Will it cost more? Yep.

    Composites and aluminum will last a hell of alot longer though... I'd venture to say automakers don't like that one bit. They want to your car to rot away so you'll get a new one... What they need to do is come up with a recycling program for future auto materials. The cars of the future aren't going to rust away and go to the crusher like the old ones did.. Build some sort of incentive into the program to encourage new vehicle purchases every 'x' amount of years.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    It's so nice to have socialist's who know nothing about engineering in charge. I predict that along with sharply higher prices, these vehicles will be very expensive to maintain once all of the high tech. goodies start to go bad.

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    Re: Technologies That Will Get Automakers To 54.5 MPG

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    But think about how great a Camaro will handle if they come up with the technologies to get it down to 2,800 lbs! Knock 100hp off the engine but with a 1,200 lbs weight reduction now you have a really fast car that handles awesomely!
    GM accomplished this before with the 3rd gen Camaros (and Firebirds). In the first years, only the "small" five-liter motor was available, yet they sold like crazy. Most of us who bought an '82-'85 Z-28 or Trans Am found that the affordability, styling, balance, and handling made up for the lack of a 350. It was a very fun car to drive despite the smaller motor.

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