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    New Technique creates cheap, abundant Hydrogen

    CHICAGO (AFP) - US researchers have developed a method of producing hydrogen gas from biodegradable organic material, potentially providing an abundant source of this clean-burning fuel, according to a study released Monday.

    The technology offers a way to cheaply and efficiently generate hydrogen gas from readily available and renewable biomass such as cellulose or glucose, and could be used for powering vehicles, making fertilizer and treating drinking water.

    The method used by engineers at Pennsylvania State University however combines electron-generating bacteria and a small electrical charge in a microbial fuel cell to produce hydrogen gas.

    Microbial fuel cells work through the action of bacteria which can pass electrons to an anode. The electrons flow from the anode through a wire to the cathode producing an electric current. In the process, the bacteria consume organic matter in the biomass material.

    An external jolt of electricity helps generate hydrogen gas at the cathode.
    In the past, the process, which is known as electrohydrogenesis, has had poor efficiency rates and low hydrogen yields.

    But the researchers at Pennsylvania State University were able to get around these problems by chemically modifying elements of the reactor.

    In laboratory experiments, their reactor generated hydrogen gas at nearly 99 percent of the theoretical maximum yield using aetic acid, a common dead-end product of glucose fermentation.

    "This process produces 288 percent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added in the process," said Bruce Logan, a professor of environmental engineering at Penn State.

    The technology is economically viable now, which gives hydrogen an edge over another alternative biofuel which is grabbing more headlines, Logan said.

    "The energy focus is currently on ethanol as a fuel, but economical ethanol from cellulose is 10 years down the road," said Logan.

    One of the immediate applications for this technology is to supply the hydrogen that is used in fuel cell cars to generate the electricity that drives the motor, but it could also can be used to convert wood chips into hydrogen to be used as fertilizer.


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    Re: New Technique creates cheap, abundant Hydrogen

    It's amazing how innovative we become when gas hits $3

    Problem is...now that there are so many alternatives...which one will be the right one? I think GM is making a good, conservative decision in just investing in a myriad of potentially great options.

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    Re: New Technique creates cheap, abundant Hydrogen

    I think Hydrogen is where its at...I will skip the Hybrid phase and what for something better.

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    Someone needs to make a Fuel Cell Vehicle that runs on hydrogen gas with a backup plug-in Lithium Ion Flex-Fuel (gas, E-85, bio-diesel) hybrid system. Oh, with a solar panel on the roof.

    That way, all environmental solution bases are covered.

    This is all futile, anyway. The next big thing is fusion nuclear power. Seeing how early GM is advertising the Volt, I suspect we'll see their first "Mr. Fusion" ads sometime around Christmas.

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    Re: New Technique creates cheap, abundant Hydrogen

    Quote Originally Posted by Snafu_SS View Post
    It's amazing how innovative we become when gas hits $3

    Problem is...now that there are so many alternatives...which one will be the right one? I think GM is making a good, conservative decision in just investing in a myriad of potentially great options.


    By the sounds of it, and if all this is fact, I believe this new process is the one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snafu_SS View Post
    It's amazing how innovative we become when gas hits $3

    Problem is...now that there are so many alternatives...which one will be the right one? I think GM is making a good, conservative decision in just investing in a myriad of potentially great options.
    Agreed.

    I think that biofuels are a short term solution to our current energy problems. Hydrogen and/or/combination Electric cars will be the long term future (which isn't as far away as most people think).

    Hydrogen is one of the most abundant elements on earth. It's only a matter of time before a series of economical means of extracting and storing hydrogen become available. We just need the motivation and thankfully high gas prices are giving us that motivation.
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    This is all futile, anyway. The next big thing is fusion nuclear power. Seeing how early GM is advertising the Volt, I suspect we'll see their first "Mr. Fusion" ads sometime around Christmas.
    So, according to Robert Zemekis, we will have flying "hovercars" (or conversions) in less than 7 years.
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    So, according to Robert Zemekis, we will have flying "hovercars" (or conversions) in less than 7 years.
    And we'll be driving Ford Probes with bodykits.

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    So, according to Robert Zemekis, we will have flying "hovercars" (or conversions) in less than 7 years.
    And unfortunately they will all be DeLoreans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buick61 View Post
    CHICAGO (AFP) - US researchers have developed a method of producing hydrogen gas from biodegradable organic material, potentially providing an abundant source of this clean-burning fuel, according to a study released Monday.

    The technology offers a way to cheaply and efficiently generate hydrogen gas from readily available and renewable biomass such as cellulose or glucose, and could be used for powering vehicles, making fertilizer and treating drinking water.

    The method used by engineers at Pennsylvania State University however combines electron-generating bacteria and a small electrical charge in a microbial fuel cell to produce hydrogen gas.

    Microbial fuel cells work through the action of bacteria which can pass electrons to an anode. The electrons flow from the anode through a wire to the cathode producing an electric current. In the process, the bacteria consume organic matter in the biomass material.

    An external jolt of electricity helps generate hydrogen gas at the cathode.
    In the past, the process, which is known as electrohydrogenesis, has had poor efficiency rates and low hydrogen yields.

    But the researchers at Pennsylvania State University were able to get around these problems by chemically modifying elements of the reactor.

    In laboratory experiments, their reactor generated hydrogen gas at nearly 99 percent of the theoretical maximum yield using aetic acid, a common dead-end product of glucose fermentation.

    "This process produces 288 percent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added in the process," said Bruce Logan, a professor of environmental engineering at Penn State.

    The technology is economically viable now, which gives hydrogen an edge over another alternative biofuel which is grabbing more headlines, Logan said.

    "The energy focus is currently on ethanol as a fuel, but economical ethanol from cellulose is 10 years down the road," said Logan.

    One of the immediate applications for this technology is to supply the hydrogen that is used in fuel cell cars to generate the electricity that drives the motor, but it could also can be used to convert wood chips into hydrogen to be used as fertilizer.


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    Great news! Thanks for posting that.....cool that biology can once again create a new earth-friendly technology. I hope this encourages GM to NOT drop the ball with their amazing "skateboard" fuel cell auto platform that could leave their competitors in the dust.
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    And we'll be driving Ford Probes with bodykits.

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    Great post. I'm glad to see such advancements taking place. And it's actually economically viable too! That's the best part of it.
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    I heard they discovered this quite accidentally while studying another intriguingly renewable dead-end biomass... Joe Pa's hair.

    It does sound encouraging... they will need to prove this on a large scale before the investments will come.
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    The future looks bright!!!
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