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    Re: LA to Michigan in a GM EV1

    If that 'lectric appliance ad was a GM creation, it must be the last good ad they produced! WTF happened to them since this?

    I always thought the EV-1 was cool. Didn't the early ones have lead-acid batteries? Not bad for old tech.

    Interesting parts were the inane media. "Where can an electric car driver fill 'er up?"

    Really?

    JHC, just what sort of dopes are personing the microphones in our newsrooms?

    "It looks like any other car..."

    Really?

    What other car?

    Quote Originally Posted by Murrow View Post
    I recall the EV1 as being largely well regarded in its day. People who leased them (they were all leased) were upset about having to give them up. They gave GM some green cred which they largely squandered by completely allowing Toyota and Honda to be the leaders on hybrids.
    Yeah, GM leads the way, then gets out of the way and once again loses concentration. How weird is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    It was a product well ahead of its time. Though flawed due to the nascent technology, it was quite a piece. GM never should have been vilified by it, they should have been applauded for building a spaceship when everyone was still in the equivalent of horse & buggy's. Even at the time it was known these were very expensive vehicles to manufacture and no way they could go mainstream. As Murrow said above, GM's biggest crime was handing over their green cred to Toyota.
    It was indeed a space ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    That's kind of like castigating the Model T for not having fuel injection and infotainment. EV1 was the first mass produced full electric vehicle, the fact they made it semi-livable at least for an urban/suburban environment was a pretty good win. And I'm sure much of that R&D found its way elsewhere.
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    Re: LA to Michigan in a GM EV1

    Quote Originally Posted by nota View Post
    GM EV-1 production totalled 1,117 (MY 1997~'99).

    In contrast, the Detroit Electric "company production was at its peak in the 1910s selling around 1000 to 2000 [full electric] cars a year."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroi...t_Electric.jpg

    (Figures and quotes from Wikipedia.)
    I seem to recall that GM leased the cars rather than selling them because they cost over $100,000 and would require them to be supported with parts and warranties for at least nine years.
    The EV-1s used lead acid batteries, much like nearly all batteries since the Detroit Electric models, which were a market failure due to lack of range.
    I look at the EV-1 as an important step toward a viable electric car industry, which was followed by the Volt, and the Bolt.
    Soon we will see affordable electric cars that have the all electric range that would have made the Detroit Electric vehicles a success, the EV-1s a success, and the Bolt a success. It's called development and progress,

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    Re: LA to Michigan in a GM EV1

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Show-Me2 View Post
    I seem to recall that GM leased the cars rather than selling them because they cost over $100,000 and would require them to be supported with parts and warranties for at least nine years.
    The EV-1s used lead acid batteries, much like nearly all batteries since the Detroit Electric models, which were a market failure due to lack of range.
    I look at the EV-1 as an important step toward a viable electric car industry, which was followed by the Volt, and the Bolt.
    Soon we will see affordable electric cars that have the all electric range that would have made the Detroit Electric vehicles a success, the EV-1s a success, and the Bolt a success. It's called development and progress,

    my understanding was also the "emissions warranty" HAD to cover the batteries and GM KNEW they would FAIL before the warrenty was up
    also the EV drive train was later sold in S10 pick ups with NO BATTERY to commercial fleets

    I believe the EV1 and RAV4 EV ETC "paved the way" for the Prius which in itself paved the way for the VOLT/BOLT/LEAF AND market acceptance for "ELECTRIFIED" cars

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    Re: LA to Michigan in a GM EV1

    You know, this would be a perfect time to pitch "Who Killed The Electric Car" and"Revenge Of The Electric Car". These two movies really tell the whole tale on what the EV-1 was, how it came to being and how and WHY it was killed. "Revenge" is a great story about the revival, including the Volt, the Leaf, and a few others. Really eye opening movies, both of them.

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    Re: LA to Michigan in a GM EV1

    Didn't the last ones have NIMH batteries?
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