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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Electrics are mainstream? Where exactly are they mainstream?
    Oh...I don't know...maybe here?

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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

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    On the pages of CleanTechnica website is where huh?

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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Look closer at Tesla's profits and you'll see that without the sale of regulatory credits, Tesla would have recorded losses.

    If there were no regulatory credits in Europe Tesla would raise prices and have lower volume but be profitable in Europe.

    Save for GM and Tesla, all of Tesla's direct competitors have a $7500 US Federal Credit. If those didn't exist Tesla could raise prices and sell more cars in the USA.

    And Finally if the US Navy didn't protect the oil shipped through the Suez Canal and Strait of Hormuz and all the world's oil companies had to pay for their own security global prices for gasoline/diesel would be $6-$12 per gallon.

    And if the US Congress took away direct subsidies to Big Oil and all the subsidies for electric cars, and stopped defending the House of Saud for free?

    In this scenario without any subsidies for oil/electric vehicles Tesla could increase prices and sell cars as fast as they could make them. And be way profitable.

    BEVs would have 90% market share by 2030.

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    Tesla used up all of its $7,500 subsidies, they got their shot at support and arguably aster most of it.

    Without government support and legislation against ICE vehicles, sales of BEVs would be dead in the water.
    I have issue with electric manufacturers being able to sell regulatory credits to polluters so they can keep on
    avoiding the wider use of hybrids and PHEVs, a better solution for reaching so many more buyers than BEVs.

    Until BEVs have ultra cheap batteries that recharge in super quick time,
    they will remain curiosities of the wealthy.
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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Tesla used up all of its $7,500 subsidies, they got their shot at support and arguably aster most of it.

    Without government support and legislation against ICE vehicles, sales of BEVs would be dead in the water.
    I have issue with electric manufacturers being able to sell regulatory credits to polluters so they can keep on
    avoiding the wider use of hybrids and PHEVs, a better solution for reaching so many more buyers than BEVs.

    Until BEVs have ultra cheap batteries that recharge in super quick time,
    they will remain curiosities of the wealthy.
    HA! WHAT??

    You do realize that oil and regular car manufacturers have received a huge amount of government assistance as well?
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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    If there were no regulatory credits in Europe Tesla would raise prices and have lower volume but be profitable in Europe.
    I'd love to see your math on that one.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    Save for GM and Tesla, all of Tesla's direct competitors have a $7500 US Federal Credit. If those didn't exist Tesla could raise prices and sell more cars in the USA.
    Hogwash; Tesla's US sales, and ATP continue to decline, despite the lack of compeition.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    And Finally if the US Navy didn't protect the oil shipped through the Suez Canal and Strait of Hormuz and all the world's oil companies had to pay for their own security global prices for gasoline/diesel would be $6-$12 per gallon.
    More hyperbole.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    And if the US Congress took away direct subsidies to Big Oil and all the subsidies for electric cars, and stopped defending the House of Saudi for free?
    Myth.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    In this scenario without any subsidies for oil/electric vehicles Tesla could increase prices and sell cars as fast as they could make them. And be way profitable.

    BEVs would have 90% market share by 2030.
    More crazy-talk, if gas was more expensive most people would buy cheaper, more fuel efficient vehicles, not higher-priced EV's.

    At what price does a Tesla's over-priced cars break-even with an ICE?
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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAgeaux View Post
    If there were no regulatory credits in Europe Tesla would raise prices and have lower volume but be profitable in Europe.

    Save for GM and Tesla, all of Tesla's direct competitors have a $7500 US Federal Credit. If those didn't exist Tesla could raise prices and sell more cars in the USA.

    And Finally if the US Navy didn't protect the oil shipped through the Suez Canal and Strait of Hormuz and all the world's oil companies had to pay for their own security global prices for gasoline/diesel would be $6-$12 per gallon.

    And if the US Congress took away direct subsidies to Big Oil and all the subsidies for electric cars, and stopped defending the House of Saud for free?

    In this scenario without any subsidies for oil/electric vehicles Tesla could increase prices and sell cars as fast as they could make them. And be way profitable.

    BEVs would have 90% market share by 2030.
    And these BEV's would all be NUKE and coal fired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Tesla used up all of its $7,500 subsidies, they got their shot at support and arguably aster most of it.

    Without government support and legislation against ICE vehicles, sales of BEVs would be dead in the water.
    I have issue with electric manufacturers being able to sell regulatory credits to polluters so they can keep on
    avoiding the wider use of hybrids and PHEVs, a better solution for reaching so many more buyers than BEVs.

    Until BEVs have ultra cheap batteries that recharge in super quick time,
    they will remain curiosities of the wealthy.
    HA! WHAT??

    You do realize that oil and regular car manufacturers have received a huge amount of government assistance as well?
    I'm talking in the broader sense of legislation and fuel taxes in places like Europe and China,
    the only way those governments get their way with social engineering is to strangle the ICE
    and force everyone to embrace BEVs years before they make economic sense.
    Without the cushion of high fuel taxes I suspect Europe's BEV owners will be
    taxed another way, it has to happen to balance out lost gubment tax revenue.

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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    On the pages of CleanTechnica website is where huh?
    Or here...

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-market-share/

    Click to see and read on your own time...

    The main reason for BEV is NOT because everyone simply remembered to save the trees. A BEV strategy pulls into view for GM as it ALREADY has for Tesla multiple streams of revenues. This is something you can no longer say can exist for ICE because that market is mature and expensive to verticalize.

    So you can argue for the FACT that BEV's get subsidized and so do ICE--it doesn't matter. What matters is that there's money (more in fact than in ICE) in BEV's...

    So, yet again, it's pure market economics and organizations driven goal of increased revenues and profit margins.
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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    …..There is a reason you really don't look at Teslas as a model year but by content because they change things when they are ready versus waiting for an MCE.
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    All auto companies do that.
    Yup, all the little minor changes model year to model year, especially decontenting

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    All auto companies do that.
    No, not really. You're telling me that if GM can make an improvement midyear to an engine that gives it more power they're going to affix that new engine in the cars? That's what Tesla has done. There have been at least 7 different drive motors for the Model S and almost every single one was put in as soon as it's ready versus building the old one until the end of the model year and then switching.
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    All auto companies do that.
    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    No, not really. You're telling me that if GM can make an improvement midyear to an engine that gives it more power they're going to affix that new engine in the cars? That's what Tesla has done. There have been at least 7 different drive motors for the Model S and almost every single one was put in as soon as it's ready versus building the old one until the end of the model year and then switching.
    Yes, I'm telling you that. All auto companies do that.
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    Re: GM starts construction on the cornerstone of its EV strategy

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    Yes, I'm telling you that. All auto companies do that.
    Well, shoot me. I guess all those deletions and additions from GM every year at the model year change over are just bogus things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Well, shoot me. I guess all those deletions and additions from GM every year at the model year change over are just bogus things.
    No, those are in ADDITION to the constant updating.

    Seriously, model years, MCE (Mid Cycle Enhancements) and even totally new models are about marketing. Auto companies add in changes (sometimes bogus things) to specifically create the impression of a new, different car. To help spur buyers to buy the latest model year. It's new. It's different. You're driving an "old" one.
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