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    Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Drunk on ethanol

    Basing energy policy on corn could fuel a potential disaster.
    August 20, 2007

    'Gasoline is going -- alcohol is coming. And it's coming to stay, too, for it's in unlimited supply. And we might as well get ready for it now."

    Those words might have come from President George W. Bush, or just about any member of the U.S. Congress, or every major presidential candidate from both parties. All are euphorically drunk on ethanol (a fancy name for grain alcohol), seen as the miracle fuel that will simultaneously solve our global warming problem and end our reliance on foreign oil. Actually, though, they were uttered by automotive pioneer Henry Ford nearly a century ago.


    Ford might have been a visionary, but he was badly mistaken about ethanol. Unfortunately, so are Bush et al.

    Alcohol is best taken in moderation, and that applies to cars as much as people. Ethanol isn't all hype -- it's a promising alternative fuel that could stretch gasoline supplies and cut emissions. But as politicians try to outdo one another by approving ever-bigger ethanol subsidies, production mandates and research grants, few are considering the environmental and economic effects of a massive, rapid rise in ethanol production. These are so severe that unless the mania ends soon, they could far outweigh any gains.


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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Please note that this is an editorial on the opinion page.

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    Interesting article. The more I read about ethanol, the less enthused I get.

    Henry Ford, whose Model T ran on ethanol, made the mistake of thinking alcohol for motor fuel could be made in limitless supply. He didn't count on how widespread his invention would become, nor the fact that the world's population would grow so large that there wouldn't be enough agricultural land or fresh water on Earth to feed us all. We may have already passed that point, and the human population is expected to rise an additional 50% or so by 2050. This means that turning vast quantities of food into fuel is a recipe for global starvation. Ethanol will definitely play a role in our future energy mix, but not the starring role its advocates predict.

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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierRon
    Please note that this is an editorial on the opinion page.
    Hence the title of the post: "Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)"


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    If using land that would otherwise be used to grow food for fuel is the way we are going to keep the population down, then I'M ALL FOR IT. Shoot, you can't tell me that the 50% increase in population will have no negative affects on the environment, either.

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    Why do peole not understand that Ethanol isn't only made of corn or other crops? BioEthanol can me made out of pretty much anything. Them the arguement is "how much fossil fiel did it take to make?" Well, how much fossil fuel does it take to make gasoline?

    Ethanol isn't perfect, nor is it the fuel of the future. It is simply a way to cut oil imports in the near-term (0-20 years). I'm also a believer in BioButanol, BioDiesel, Hydrogen and Electricity.

    Lets quit making excuses and bitching and just move forward. Either we move to other fuels or we go back to the dark ages, but this time, no meat because it's cuel to animals.
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    This idiot is forgetting that Ethanol can be made out of more than just corn. It can even be made out of things that would otherwise be considered waste. So much for his "disaster."
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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Quote Originally Posted by shabodah
    If using land that would otherwise be used to grow food for fuel is the way we are going to keep the population down, then I'M ALL FOR IT. Shoot, you can't tell me that the 50% increase in population will have no negative affects on the environment, either.
    Whiny liberals change pet causes as the situation dictates. The overpopulation cause won't be hauled out by the L.A. Times unless they're debating abortion rights.
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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    I'd debate the voracity of this article, but I'm too lazy to sign up for the LA Times online access.

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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    I would recommend watching http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/

    The 8/19 show on ethanol was impressive.

    I think it has a lot of potiential especially in 5 years when the celloise (sp) ethanol is produced for 60 cents rather than the 2.50 a gallon that the present corn based ethanol is costing.

    I happen to believe there is some very good things being discussed in this show.

    I recommend watching it and then decide.

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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Regardless of how good or bad ethanol itself is as a fuel, the most important part of any renewable fuel is that it does do something to reduce our need for current non renewable fuels.

    It may not be perfect, it may not be the ultimate solution, but if we continue to knock any alternate fuel that is suggested, all we end up with is no change at all and in 10-15-20 years or whenever we really do hit the crunch time, everyone screams and complains about why we didn't do anything back then (right now) and these will be the same ones who said that fuel X was a waste of time.
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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Cellulosic ethanol may be amazing and all, but as long as GM has that stupid popcorn ad with the Tahoes; ethanol is going to be associated with corn.

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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06
    I would recommend watching http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/

    The 8/19 show on ethanol was impressive.

    I think it has a lot of potiential especially in 5 years when the celloise (sp) ethanol is produced for 60 cents rather than the 2.50 a gallon that the present corn based ethanol is costing.

    I happen to believe there is some very good things being discussed in this show.

    I recommend watching it and then decide.

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    Agree 100% here.........Corn is just a short term supply for making ethanol here. Biomass is the future.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamwin
    Cellulosic ethanol may be amazing and all, but as long as GM has that stupid popcorn ad with the Tahoes; ethanol is going to be associated with corn.
    I thought that pretty much all GM ads have stopped emphasizing ethanol, or at least most of them. Which one are they showing or producing now has corn?

    Another thing, it doesn't matter all that much if the people think its from corn or from cells, or whatever. As long as it does a better job, has a cheaper price, and cuts down on fuel consumption, they are going to use it.
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    Re: Drunk on ethanol (LA Times editorial)

    Quote Originally Posted by HoosierRon
    Please note that this is an editorial on the opinion page.
    Yup, and pretty much every one of the naysayers are flatly ignoring all of the press releases regarding cellulosic ethanol. They cannot fan the flames of fear if they take the very core of their argument (corn is unsustainable as a source), and throw it over their shoulder.

    Oh well, the L.A. Times isn't worth lining a birdcage with already. What's another unsubstantiated fear article?
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