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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    $500,000 dollars to install the pumps and equipment! This dealer is going out on a limb for this, I hope it works well for them. Its nice to see a a brand like Hummer that is usually looked at as being very unenviromentally friendly to put a "natural" fuel station in! In reality, it should be good PR for Hummer!

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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    Once again if the oil companies won't put in E85, you can count on the dealers. This is a vital first step to breaking the "chicken and egg problem" with new fuels.
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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    Quote Originally Posted by ctaylorzl1 View Post
    $500,000 dollars to install the pumps and equipment! This dealer is going out on a limb for this, I hope it works well for them. Its nice to see a a brand like Hummer that is usually looked at as being very unenviromentally friendly to put a "natural" fuel station in! In reality, it should be good Page Ranking for Hummer!

    $500,000 is a fraction of the advertising budget for a Large dealer like Classic. Just the free press alone has paid for itself. keep in mind also GM does not deliver cars full of fuel. It's the dealers responsibility to fill them up upon delivery if they save the typical $0.50 per gallon and they deliver 200 E85 capable cars/Trucks/SUV's each month. at 20 gallons per (or $10 a delivery). (If my math is right) and that's without a SINGLE retail customer purchasing fuel.

    not to mention the savings they receive on their loaners, service vehicles, demos of not having to pay retail to fill them up. so I'm gonna assume the savings is closer to $1.00 a gallon or $20 per car. so $4000 a month 10.5 years it's paid for itself and the amount of sales generated by the knowledge will help the cause. gamble. not in the least, brilliant more like it.
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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    I drove by the station before it opened. The price on the pump for E85 was $2.71 per gallon. I bought my Aveo from Classic, and often stop to talk to the sales staff there. I headed down to check out the station and test drove the new Tahoe 2 mode Hybrid (made a report in the section of the chevy forum where I could open new threads), as well as inquired on a flex fuel Malibu. Since there is no flex fuel Malibu, I'm considering buying a 2LT Impala so I can get both the flex fuel and the AFM. I need to get a couple of higher priorities squared away first, however. I applaud Classic for doing this. I hope that other dealerhsips (James Wood, are you reading this?) will follow suit.
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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman01 View Post
    I drove by the station before it opened. The price on the pump for E85 was $2.71 per gallon. I bought my Aveo from Classic, and often stop to talk to the sales staff there. I headed down to check out the station and test drove the new Tahoe 2 mode Hybrid (made a report in the section of the chevy forum where I could open new threads), as well as inquired on a flex fuel Malibu. Since there is no flex fuel Malibu, I'm considering buying a 2LT Impala so I can get both the flex fuel and the AFM. I need to get a couple of higher priorities squared away first, however. I applaud Classic for doing this. I hope that other dealerhsips (James Wood, are you reading this?) will follow suit.
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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    It's cool to see something in the Metroplex make the front page of GMI.
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    I think this is a Good Idea. I suggested on this site last year when it was announced that GM would be testing the Hydrogen Equinox, selling fuel at dealerships. In the end if GM decides to produce the fuel cell, it would certainly be a Good Idea for GM itself to invest in the Hydrogen refueling stations. The most logical location for the Hydrogen refueling station would be at or near the Dealerships that sell fuel cell vehicles. If GM really wanted to grab attention and sales they, would help dealerships build Self sustaining Hydrogen refueling stations just like the ones built in Iceland and on Norway's Hydrogen Highway. Using electricity from the grid to produce Hydrogen from electrolysis. From all reports in the Automotive press the hydrogen Fuel Cell Chevy Equinox works very well and has performance equal to the Gasoline Equinox. to me this means the technology is proven and GM only need take the initiative to make it happen. it is my understanding that GM designed thew E-flex system on the Chevy volt to operate with with Gasoline/E85 or Diesel engines and also hydrogen fuel cell. It seem to me that with the Volt coming out in less than 2 years, that now is the time to really start the change over from Gasoline to Hydrogen starting with volt and Eflex.

    With respect to the Dealer selling E/85 I think it great. The oil companies refuse to make it available at their stations so selling it at the dealer is great idea. Ultimately Ethanol is not the solution to energy independence it is Hydrogen.



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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    If we could get a Hummer with a D-max..We would be set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redimpss5 View Post
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    Re: Classic Chevy/Hummer of Grapevine, Texas, installs E85, biodiesel pumps

    Quote Originally Posted by CJ Thunder View Post
    As log as they are only the reseller. I don't want my fuel for my car to come from the makers of that car. To many ways they can play with the price.
    Right, because today the oil companies aren't playing with the price at your expense.

    Ok, so real question for the entire room. My question is based on the following 2 facts which I believe to be correct (if they're not, please let me know):
    1. E-100 can't be sold in the US because ethanol doesn't ignite easily in cold weather, so much of the US in winter would be unable to start their cars.
    2. When run in high compression engines, ethanol gets markedly better mpg.

    Can a flex fuel engine be made that can change compression ratios? In other words, can it run on E-85 or E-100 at a higher compression for better mileage, then in cold weather reduce compression and be run on E-85 or gasoline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsbaker View Post
    Ultimately Ethanol is not the solution to energy independence it is Hydrogen.
    I just read a article the other day, and people are now complaining that the exhaust vapor from hydrogen engines will also add to global warming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctaylorzl1 View Post
    I just read a article the other day, and people are now complaining that the exhaust vapor from hydrogen engines will also add to global warming!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrcslam View Post
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    Haha, ya that really does seem like the most logical solution... Actually everyone that isn't an automotive enthusiast should stop breathing so we can reclaim the roads and have plenty of gas for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cemaxc View Post
    Ah, Paradise Texas. I knew I've heard of that city from somewhere and now that I know where it is, I know why. Thats one of the multitude of cities that I drive through on my treks to college and home on the good ol' 114. If you ever see a bright blue 06 Vue come screaming by, thats me.
    Well, if you see one of the vehicles listed in my sig ambling along at 55 mph, you blew by me. Not to worry though, I often ease off to the hard shoulder to let faster traffic by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfman01 View Post
    Well, if you see one of the vehicles listed in my sig ambling along at 55 mph, you blew by me. Not to worry though, I often ease off to the hard shoulder to let faster traffic by.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Paradise is near those rock quarries which can get really dangerous (its been a while since I drove because its now much cheaper to fly). Man I hate it when those trucks come out of those places with out even looking. I was so pi$$ed at one that I passed in the center turn lane. I don't need the lecture about how dangerous that is but when you've been on the road for the last 4 hours straight, all you want to do is get home, so my patience was thin. Ok, well I'll keep an eye out for ya next time I go blowing through there.
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