Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

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    Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    From today's Autobeat Daily:

    Ethanol makes more sense than diesels. It would cost less and do more to curb carbon dioxide emissions and the use of foreign oil if America promoted high ethanol fuels instead of pursuing diesels, opines General Motors Corp. Vice Chairman Bob Lutz.

    He declares that GM has “the gravest of doubts” that diesels can solve the country’s oil or emission problems, reports Automotive News.

    Even so, Lutz says GM is ready to tap its lineup of small European diesel engines if U.S. fuel economy standards tighten or the price premium for diesel engines drops. Lutz believes mass production of ethanol is no more than three years away, and he figures it costs only $100 per vehicle to convert vehicles to burn E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Can someone tell Bob that biodiesel is easier and cheaper to produce than ethanol.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    IF Ethanol can be massed produced cheaply then it is a great option. Biodiesel is another potentialy great option. Offer us both and I'd probably take the diesel option. I keep my cars long enough to get my money back on the higher initial cost and I like diesels.
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Rightly so he is looking at it from the perspecitive of what's best for GM. Being able to convert a gasser to E85 @ $100 is a lot better for GM than to have to go through the hassle and development of getting any diesel approved for emissions.

    For the consumer and the nation it's a different question. I agree that biodiesel is a much better choice overall, but GM, Ford, Toyota apparently do not agree.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Wut.


    Screw E85. Gimme clean diesel.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Quote Originally Posted by jkennedy293
    Can someone tell Bob that biodiesel is easier and cheaper to produce than ethanol.
    He missed that memo, today's diesel burns cleaner than ever. What he really meant was "We have no interest in diesel".
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Well, it wouldn't make sense to me too if I spent a large fortune on R&Ding, advertising, and lobbying for a fuel that would get 0wn3d by clean diesel in a couple of years.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    I'd like to see more diesel as well as more ethonol.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Quote Originally Posted by montrealvue
    He missed that memo, today's diesel burns cleaner than ever. What he really meant was "We have no interest in diesel".
    He didn't miss the memo. He's atlking about the combination of cleanliness and cost. Besides, even though diesels burn cleaner than they have before doesn't mean they burn cleaner than E-85.
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Clean diesels are also very expensive and are only getting more expensive. The average consumer will still be more interested in a gas or E85 vehicle until gas prices get MUCH higher. Just because I'd want one and many of us do, that doesn't mean most people will. I think GM should offer us both if the fuels are available.
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Quote Originally Posted by montrealvue
    He missed that memo, today's diesel burns cleaner than ever. What he really meant was "We have no interest in diesel".
    I'll agree with that.
    What he also meant to say is that GM doesn't have the resources/money/know-how to make a diesel that is truly 50 state compliant.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro
    I'll agree with that.
    What he also meant to say is that GM doesn't have the resources/money/know-how to make a diesel that is truly 50 state compliant.
    Hm. That's odd. I know of at least 5 diesel product lines coming out within the next 3 years.

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    Quote Originally Posted by mgescuro
    I'll agree with that.
    What he also meant to say is that GM doesn't have the resources/money/know-how to make a diesel that is truly 50 state compliant.
    I agree with that

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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    I'm waiting for a small displacement engine from GM North America in an inexpensive car that runs on E-85. We know GM do Brasil offers vehicles with engines like that already. Saab has them, but Saabs aren't particularly affordable cars.

    I have no interest in a $30,000 truck that gets 13 miles per gallon on E-85. That's not a "solution" for me. In fact it makes Biodiesel look pretty darned attractive if I'm aiming to save fuel money, have a bulletproof engine, and use biofuels.

    The Impala's 3.5L V6 is a very good start (I almost bought one), now offer a smaller Ecotec with flex fuel capability. Something that gets stellar fuel economy on gas so the E-85 mileage will be palatable. Currently all of GM's E-85 options here in the U.S. are OHV, relatively large displacement engines (unless I missed it and Saab has joined the game here as well).
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    Re: Bob Lutz: "Ethanol makes more sense than diesel"

    I would pay an extra 5% or so for a clean diesel instead of a car that runs on Ethanol.

    Maybe I'd pay even more than that...to me clean diesel is somethign I'd be very interested in.

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