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    5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Thursday, December 8, 2011
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    The number of electric vehicles able to power buildings and feed the power grid will grow from 100,000 today, to more than 5 million in 2017, according to a new study by Pike Research, a market research firm for the clean technology industry.

    The prospect of a power grid made more stable and efficient by millions of EVs connected to homes, and thus the power grid has been a much vaunted secondary benefit of widespread adoption of electric cars. So far it’s not even close to happening. But, the researchers predict, it will by the middle of the next decade after continued exponential EV adoption, especially in commercial fleets.

    As of now there has been exactly one commercial test project of V2G possibilities. That was headed by the University of Delaware and PJM Interconnection, and it concluded in 2010 (PDF report). The data from that project will shape future plans for commercialization, Pike research predicts.

    There are a few obstacles and disincentives for utilities to connect cars to the power grid, according to the report. One hitch to growth right now is that one Nissan Leaf on a block is not enough to interest a power company in building out vehicle-to-grid connections in an area. There needs to be a cluster of EVs close enough to each other to tempt a utility. Fleet vehicles, like these electric delivery trucks, are the best candidates for a cluster of battery power storage the researchers posit.

    While EVs could take on excess power from utilities, something they certainly want, utilities could potentially lose money on power served to homes with vehicle to grid capacity. If car batteries are able to take and store the cheaper power offered in off hours, the car itself could be a cheaper power source for a home or business during the expensive peak daytime hours.

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    It will take the power companies about a minute and a half to realize there will no longer be an off peak time.

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by big swede View Post
    It will take the power companies about a minute and a half to realize there will no longer be an off peak time.
    That long you think? LOL.

    There will be off peak hours as long as quantity exceeds demand. Once that is no longer there, there will no longer be off peak hours. It'll take a while for that to happen honestly.
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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Is 2017 the year we all buy an EV and walk to work, leave our EV's plugged in, so we can keep our refrigerator and A/C running cheaply during the day?

    I understand the whole EV charging at night thing, but how's the rest of this suppose to work?

    The only people that could possible benefit, would be night-shifters, plugs his car in at work during the night, and then he feeds the grid/house during the day, while he's a sleep. But even in that case: A) He's going to drive home, depleating his charge. B) If his car feeds the grid during the day, when he goes to work, he won't be on EV becasue his battery was giving, not recieveing all day.

    When people start plugging in at work and at the store/restaurant/mall during the day, are they suppose to leave the engine (generator) running feeding the grid, or recharging their car (increasing peak demand during the day) for a gas-free commute home?
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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Is 2017 the year we all buy an EV and walk to work, leave our EV's plugged in, so we can keep our refrigerator and A/C running cheaply during the day?

    I understand the whole EV charging at night thing, but how's the rest of this suppose to work?

    The only people that could possible benefit, would be night-shifters, plugs his car in at work during the night, and then he feeds the grid/house during the day, while he's a sleep. But even in that case: A) He's going to drive home, depleating his charge. B) If his car feeds the grid during the day, when he goes to work, he won't be on EV becasue his battery was giving, not recieveing all day.

    When people start plugging in at work and at the store/restaurant/mall during the day, are they suppose to leave the engine (generator) running feeding the grid, or recharging their car (increasing peak demand during the day) for a gas-free commute home?
    Walk! Bah. We'll take Segways between the refrigerator and the telecommuting cave.

    Mad Magazine predicted something like this back in '75 or '76, so you know it's going to happen. They always were about 50 years ahead of their time.

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    the ONLY way I can see this working is say with OnStar and you tell your car to power house from 6 PM to 10 PM then recharge @ 220 for 8 Hrs to be ready @ 6 AM next morning
    I thought California Edison? was suggesting that EV's would help with short OVERLOAD situations to prevent brown outs so come home plug in charge 15 MIN brown out condition EV's in area "pitch in" return to charging to be charged @/ near orig time in morning
    I also know I do NOT my EV to KILL its batt keeping my street powered during a storm event

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    I don't see how cars would be able to handle the house along with a daily commute. I could see old car batteries being refurbished for in home storage to charge at night and power the house during the day (many people already do this, albeit with lead acid batteries more often than not). Maybe that is what they meant. In any case the best set up for a smart grid is where every house on the grid has some sort of power source (solar panels, wind mill, etc.) participating with a least partial of that houses energy demand.
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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Problem is the grid can't handle too much power going back into it

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Problem is the grid can't handle too much power going back into it
    I can understand that. But what I was saying is to lighten the load on the grid when EV do become popular. The grid certainly can't handle every home with an EV either.
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    None of this made sense to me at all. Sounds like a really crappy attempt at trying to brainwash a bunch of people.
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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by hrcslam View Post
    I can understand that. But what I was saying is to lighten the load on the grid when EV do become popular. The grid certainly can't handle every home with an EV either.
    No it cant - some sort of home storage is needed along with the power generation at the home - good luck getting that by the right wing nazis though

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    That will almost surely not happen, because the Nuclear Cold Fusion for domestic use will be available, for heating purposes and autonomous electric generation too.

    Here's the answer

    http://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-home

    Made in US, obviously.

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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by DenaliHD66 View Post
    None of this made sense to me at all. Sounds like a really crappy attempt at trying to brainwash a bunch of people.
    Same here. What's the point of charging a car's battery pack, then deplete it to power domestic appliances, and then recharge it again? Unless the car drives to a remote area where there is no electric grid and it is the sole power generator...

    Moreover, most domestic energy use occurs at daytime, when people are awake, and use BOTH appliances and cars.

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    I'm all for energy alternatives, but these kind of ideas will ONLY work in major city/urban areas. Not for us people who need to drive to get around everywhere, and secondly couldn't give a **** about the environment. I grow food, so don't any of you tree hugging hippies tell me what I should care about. My equipment and vehicles don't cause any pollution.
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    Re: 5 Million Electric Cars Will Power Homes, Grid by 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by web_captain View Post
    That will almost surely not happen, because the Nuclear Cold Fusion for domestic use will be available, for heating purposes and autonomous electric generation too.

    Here's the answer

    http://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-home

    Made in US, obviously.

    http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/

    Just 1.25 grams of nickel can generate E-cat energy the equivalent of 5 barrels of oil.
    Hmmm, the Energy Catalyzer looks a little too good to be true .... according to that trusted source Wikipedia "... An international patent application has received an unfavorable international preliminary report on patentability because it seemed to "offend against the generally accepted laws of physics and established theories" ... "

    Also, gotta be a bit suspicious when the websites are very slick with lots of words that actually say very little.

    However, the natural gas-powered BlueGen generator ( http://www.cfcl.com.au/BlueGen/ ) is real and currently being trialled.... but with a current price around AUD40k it's way outside the range of the normal home owner and has excessive payback period.

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