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    Re: GM: End of an Era

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    OK.. I'll ask. What GM vehicle vs a competitor vehicle are U referring to.. because that's a pretty wide statement?
    I'm referring to the last product assembled at Broening Highway GM Plant in Baltimore City: Chevrolet Astro/GMC Safari. It was a compromised product from the start - neither a good minivan nor a good work van.
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    Re: GM: End of an Era

    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    AMericans should proudly have bought more GM products instead of. Foreign crap

    Sad story
    The Astro/Safari was a great product; in 1985................ 20 years later, not so much. GM didn't invest in the vehicle and it died, who is surprised?

    GM did this, and expected all the buyer to just pony-up for the ultra-(uncompetitive)-Uplander!?

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    What's ridiculous is any business expecting that consumers will continue to buy their product or service when competitors offer something better.
    EXACTLY!


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Just thinking out loud. Was GM's ownership of half the market always destined to deteriorate, even without the quality disasters of the 70's and 80's? Meaning that our society has grown into one that likes choices. 50 different choices of toothpaste (a nod to Ron Zarella ), a hundred different brands making beer that tastes virtually the same. Multiple cellphone and computer brands that again do the same thing. So assuming my premise is correct, the Japanese and Europeans were always destined to take a big chunk of the domestic's market share.

    Yes, the domestics all made a lot of mistakes opening the door to competition. But even if GM made no mistakes, Toyota, Honda, etc. still would have entered the market and stolen sales. Now the question is, would they (foreign makes) have as much share as they do today?
    Always looking for excuses; never GM's fault?................

    What about when GM was only 40%? What about when they were only 35%? 30%?............ 25%?......... 20%?

    One thing GM had that the smaller competitors did [not] have was scale and a dealer network greater than any competitor.


    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    OK.. I'll ask. What GM vehicle vs a competitor vehicle are U referring to.. because that's a pretty wide statement?

    I'll just go by what's being canceled recently.....................<SNIP>
    Let's stay on topic OK? I know it makes it harder for you to find excuses, so what........... This is a real-life tragedy.

    I mean look and how much better GM's Van are today, right?............. Who was the brain-trust that thought the City Express (by Nissan) was a good idea anyway?
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    Re: GM: End of an Era

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Baltimore is populated with Hondas, Hyundai and Toyotas.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    What about when GM was only 40%? What about when they were only 35%? 30%?............ 25%?......... 20%?

    One thing GM had that the smaller competitors did have was scale and a dealer network greater than any competitor.
    Indeed, Maryland is interesting in that Ford, Honda, and Toyota all match or exceed GM's new light vehicle retail market share in that state. Hyundai does quite well in Maryland compared to the U.S. as a whole, Kia not so much. Below are IHS Markit stats for Maryland in CY 2016 (the most recent year I could locate publicly available data from them).

    Maryland New Light Vehicle market share - cars plus light trucks - by automaker in Calendar Year 2016:
    • GM: 11.7%
    • Ford: 11.7%
    • Honda: 13.5%
    • Toyota: 18.1%
    • FCA: 10.2%
    • Hyundai Group: 8.4% (Hyundai 5.5%, Kia 2.9%)
    • Nissan: 7.6%
    • VW Group: 4.0%
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    Re: GM: End of an Era

    The more I think about it, this plant is just too new for GM to walk away from it.

    Seems like I read that the plant closings are part of negotiation tactic with the UAW, the contract is up in September.

    A GM retiree (last year) I know at my gym told me that the union workers laid-off from the Baltimore plant are still technically employees of GM as long as they do not find other work before the current contract expires. They will continue to get a supplemental union pay in addition to unemployment payments. They will receive a payout once the contract expires in September, and the plant is then officially closed.

    I can see GM reopening the Baltimore plant, with maybe a return to making the EV motors.
    *Fun tidbit - The initial electric motors the Baltimore plant made was for BMW. Then the ev motor line switch for the Spark EV.

    PS - For anyone passing through, the Double TT Diner in White Marsh just off I-95 has phenomonal food.

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    Re: GM: End of an Era

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Indeed, Maryland is interesting in that Ford, Honda, and Toyota all match or exceed GM's new light vehicle retail market share in that state. Hyundai does quite well in Maryland compared to the U.S. as a whole, Kia not so much. Below are IHS Markit stats for Maryland in CY 2016 (the most recent year I could locate publicly available data from them).

    Maryland New Light Vehicle market share - cars plus light trucks - by automaker in Calendar Year 2016:
    • GM: 11.7%
    • Ford: 11.7%
    • Honda: 13.5%
    • Toyota: 18.1%
    • FCA: 10.2%
    • Hyundai Group: 8.4% (Hyundai 5.5%, Kia 2.9%)
    • Nissan: 7.6%
    • VW Group: 4.0%
    The plant in White Marsh MD (Baltimore) was just for GM transmissions.
    *And the EV motor pilot line for a few years

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