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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    The question is, are we at the point of "Mom and Dad drove SUV's and CUV's, I want a wagon because they didn't drive one" and the start of a new fad. Or just a niche. Probably just a niche as noted above, but it could be a good, small area for Buick. Volvo has their wagons, Buick can take a bite out of that piece of pie.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Call me dated, but I miss the days when next year's models were launched the preceding fall.

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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    If you take away trucks, Camaro and Corvette, that's basically what Chevrolet does anyway - not that I think that's good.
    There is a difference between global platforms and a rebadged car from overseas.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Nothing really. I thought I was always the pessimistic one here. I was just messin' with ya anyway so no big deal. We like these certain niche things when in reality they're not the money makers that GM needs it seems, so lots of times there is little hope for some of our dreams and for that I fully agree with you about the niche within a niche within a niche thing. I'm really not to keen on Buick being the purveyor of Chinese products either as I think to a lot of people it will really diminish the brand equity thing or such.
    Cool.

    I think the simplest way to illustrate it is the Regal; in the US last year, GM sold 19,500 - that is a monthly average of 1,625.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    The question is, are we at the point of "Mom and Dad drove SUV's and CUV's, I want a wagon because they didn't drive one" and the start of a new fad. Or just a niche. Probably just a niche as noted above, but it could be a good, small area for Buick. Volvo has their wagons, Buick can take a bite out of that piece of pie.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    I'm one of those weirdos that likes wagons. But, the Regal/Insignia are already starting on my bad side because we know that they will be wrong wheel drive. Also, until some kind of info leaks out ahead of an official announcement, this isn't going to tickle my fancy. And by info, I mean slides that were shown or grainy photos of the cars.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by NoStopN View Post
    I'm one of those weirdos that likes wagons. But, the Regal/Insignia are already starting on my bad side because we know that they will be wrong wheel drive. Also, until some kind of info leaks out ahead of an official announcement, this isn't going to tickle my fancy. And by info, I mean slides that were shown or grainy photos of the cars.
    Enthusiasts who insist on RWD don't buy enough cars to make them economically - most car buyers don't give a s**t about which wheels are driven and they're the ones who keep mainstream brands in business.

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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    Nice. This will make a lot of people happy.

    "A lot" is pushing it, if you're talking about buyers.

    They'll do this, but they won't build a coupe. Bizarre. Like wagons have a great track record of sales. They can't even sell the Regal sedan.

    There may not be a big coupe market, but an Avista would outsell this.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
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    There may not be a big coupe market, but an Avista would outsell this.
    I believe so, too. But in fairness, like the Cascada, the Regal wagon cost Buick near to nothing to introduce the car in the U.S. and it doesn't stop them to make an Avista coupe, too.

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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Subaru sold 15k miles in April. All over New England NY and NJ Volvo wagons are everywhere. This makes great sense the Regal wagon

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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    So we're sure the hatch, with nearly the same profile as the sedan, isn't the same thing as a 'wagon'?
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    If you take away trucks, Camaro and Corvette, that's basically what Chevrolet does anyway - not that I think that's good.
    Um I don't agree at all. Are talking notoriety or sales? Because Camaro and Corvette are more symbols/halo's to Chevrolet. The volume of these vehicles are relatively low and while their margins are very high they don't necessarily directly add that much to the bottom line in the grand scheme of things. Chevrolet is Trucks - CUV's - and compact and mid-sized sedans. The Chevrolet Equinox alone brings in far more than double the revenue than the Camaro and Corvette combined and by a large margin.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Enthusiasts who insist on RWD don't buy enough cars to make them economically - most car buyers don't give a s**t about which wheels are driven and they're the ones who keep mainstream brands in business.
    Funny - in Australia all the makers are introducing more and more SUVs so while the market is growing the actual splitup of model sales is smaller. The small SUV class actually shrank slightly the last two months. FWD cars - try selling a Mondeo, Holden has zero retail sales of Insignia, moribund Astra sales, Camry is only doing OK because Toyota is selling them cheaper than they were on intro back in 2006. Mazda 6 down to 250 sales a month, every other FWD medium on the market is struggling to sell in 3-digit numbers.

    Not mainstream brands, you say - Mercedes now sells more than Subaru, and BMW more than Honda as of last month. Holden without RWD is within spitting distance of Mercedes, if they both continue their current trajectory. Take away Commodore and Colorado (for which there is no equivalent Merc at present) and Merc is already there.

    Meanwhile, over at Mercedes, while they are selling a lot of Nissan-built front drivers, C-class models are up nearly 40% y-y and probably nearly 100% over two years ago. It's doubling Falcon numbers - think about that - and BMW 3s are up more than 20% year on year. Jaguar - up 250% over last year with XE and new XF. And we have no AWD models of those cars.

    Audi is up, as are Volvo and other near-luxury brands, front drive Lexus. But nowhere near as many.

    People may not understand the technicalities of the cars, but they can certainly tell the difference in the feel at the wheel. Plus, RWD proportions look better and more purposeful, the cars turn in a smaller circle, they're worth more secondhand and have 50:50 weight distribution and feel through the steering. So they perceive a benefit even if they can't articulate it.

    The locals are walking away from RWD, even though both models until they made their announcement were their biggest selling models. For Ford, Ranger RWD-based utes is now it, for Holden it's still Commodores. The market here isn't deserting RWD. Detroit is abandonning the market. The main beneficiaries are BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar, without doubt. Aided by a good exchange rate and cheap interest, their lease deals based on high residuals are unbeatable. I'd say even if conditions in Australia deteriorate, Mercedes has welded itself into the top ten makes here.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    There is no brand team outside of FCA that is more scatter brained and inconsistent than GMC/Buick. Buick really is a brand that GM doesn't really know what to do with in the US.

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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Ed753, I agree there is a difference between global platforms and an overseas model brought in and given a new brand name. The Regal for example they're moving even if not quite setting the world on fire. As far as the affordability problem I think that will be an issue they need to deal with. That is my problem with them currently as they are just out of reach for my income level and budget. On an aside to all of this the local dealer got an Envision in and I got the chance to check it out. Build quality was top notch and put together good. It really looks sharp in person. I hope this new way of things goes well for them. I hope this doesn't alienate enough buyers and sales slump to a point that troublemakers within GM say it justifies killing the brand. Then what? Move GMC to Cadillac and let Chevy stand alone? I would hope not, but one never knows the way this company goes sometimes.

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    Funny - in Australia all the makers are introducing more and more SUVs so while the market is growing the actual splitup of model sales is smaller. The small SUV class actually shrank slightly the last two months. FWD cars - try selling a Mondeo, Holden has zero retail sales of Insignia, moribund Astra sales, Camry is only doing OK because Toyota is selling them cheaper than they were on intro back in 2006. Mazda 6 down to 250 sales a month, every other FWD medium on the market is struggling to sell in 3-digit numbers.

    Not mainstream brands, you say - Mercedes now sells more than Subaru, and BMW more than Honda as of last month. Holden without RWD is within spitting distance of Mercedes, if they both continue their current trajectory. Take away Commodore and Colorado (for which there is no equivalent Merc at present) and Merc is already there.

    Meanwhile, over at Mercedes, while they are selling a lot of Nissan-built front drivers, C-class models are up nearly 40% y-y and probably nearly 100% over two years ago. It's doubling Falcon numbers - think about that - and BMW 3s are up more than 20% year on year. Jaguar - up 250% over last year with XE and new XF. And we have no AWD models of those cars.

    Audi is up, as are Volvo and other near-luxury brands, front drive Lexus. But nowhere near as many.

    People may not understand the technicalities of the cars, but they can certainly tell the difference in the feel at the wheel. Plus, RWD proportions look better and more purposeful, the cars turn in a smaller circle, they're worth more secondhand and have 50:50 weight distribution and feel through the steering. So they perceive a benefit even if they can't articulate it.

    The locals are walking away from RWD, even though both models until they made their announcement were their biggest selling models. For Ford, Ranger RWD-based utes is now it, for Holden it's still Commodores. The market here isn't deserting RWD. Detroit is abandonning the market. The main beneficiaries are BMW, Mercedes and Jaguar, without doubt. Aided by a good exchange rate and cheap interest, their lease deals based on high residuals are unbeatable. I'd say even if conditions in Australia deteriorate, Mercedes has welded itself into the top ten makes here.
    Some folks from AU and the UK have talked a lot about the importance of the company car market. If I understand it correctly, for tax reasons it's advantageous to offer someone a car rather than an similarly increased salary. Because of that, a lot of your new car market is influenced by what big employers are willing to offer their employees, correct?

    That means that Holden did very well for a long time as they built locally. Now that there are no local automakers, I'm not surprised that companies are looking at the kind of lease deals offered by luxury Marques, recognizing for a small increase in cost, they can offer an employee the perk of a Mercedes or BMW.

    If I'm correct, little of that has to do with drive wheels -- correlation not being causality and all of that.

    And, as far as I know, there isn't a similar dynamic in North America. I don't know anybody outside travelling sales people who get a company car. And they few I've known in the past got an allowance and bought whatever they wanted. Sounds different that what I've heard described in AU/UK.
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    Re: 2018 Buick Regal Wagon confirmed

    Looking forward to seeing this at a dealership.
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