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    A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Invite BMW to build (or take over) an auto assembly plant in Australia to build previous generation 5-series models with a different brand, lower price than their current range - the engineering is easy as they're already RHD and will meet Australia emission regulations since they usually mirror EU regs but a few years behind - the tooling can simply be shipped from Germany once the new model is going there.

    This would provide a mainstream-priced RWD/RHD car just at the time when Australians are bemoaning the shutdown of Ford and GM - the Australian government could add in some incentives like every other country in the world does - but that might be expecting too much.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Creative, I like it. BMW's Seat/Skoda.
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Invite BMW to build (or take over) an auto assembly plant in Australia to build previous generation 5-series models with a different brand, lower price than their current range - the engineering is easy as they're already RHD and will meet Australia emission regulations since they usually mirror EU regs but a few years behind - the tooling can simply be shipped from Germany once the new model is going there.
    This would provide a mainstream-priced RWD/RHD car just at the time when Australians are bemoaning the shutdown of Ford and GM - the Australian government could add in some incentives like every other country in the world does - but that might be expecting too much.
    While it sounds like a good idea, there are lots of questions to be asked for such an idea, especially considering Toyota, Ford, Mitsubishi and General Motors have closed or announced their closing.
    What types of vehicles would you suggest producing? The rwd sedan segment has been shrinking there for a long time, while SUVs have become popular, small fuel,efficient cars have become popular, utes have been popular, trucks the same.
    How much would setting up such an endeavor cost t set up?
    Where would the money come from?
    Would you expect the Aussie Government to provide the money, or incentives when they just ended monetary support?
    Would you build economy cars there? Or just past-generation BMWs?
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Here's the unfortunate truth: short of government incentives or a dramatic fall in the AU dollar or falling wages, it's tough to justify local production. And, given the size and maturity of the local market, the business case for specific product for that market is terrible. There are too many better opportunities in high growth markets to spend time on something like this.

    Like where I live (Canada, which has a slightly bigger auto market), Australia will get whatever global product that is feasible. We're having a similar debate about auto subsidies and I think without them, local Canadian production will likewise dry up.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    To encourage local manufacturing and employment, Australia had a tariff on imported vehicles. After decades the tariff was eliminated and local manufacturing was no longer competitive against the low cost imports. It is unfortunate but I don't see any manufacturer returning to Australia given the state of its economic conditions.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Quote Originally Posted by Tone View Post
    Here's the unfortunate truth: short of government incentives or a dramatic fall in the AU dollar or falling wages, it's tough to justify local production. And, given the size and maturity of the local market, the business case for specific product for that market is terrible. There are too many better opportunities in high growth markets to spend time on something like this.

    Like where I live (Canada, which has a slightly bigger auto market), Australia will get whatever global product that is feasible. We're having a similar debate about auto subsidies and I think without them, local Canadian production will likewise dry up.
    The fall in the Australian dollar makes every imported raw material or component CHEAPER than it was at a lower exchange rate. The only time the exchange rate matters is when exporting or repatriating profits (or losses if convenient)! Our product used to come from Canada - especially the Chrysler ones before local production started.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Quote Originally Posted by carbarrister View Post
    To encourage local manufacturing and employment, Australia had a tariff on imported vehicles. After decades the tariff was eliminated and local manufacturing was no longer competitive against the low cost imports. It is unfortunate but I don't see any manufacturer returning to Australia given the state of its economic conditions.
    If the cost of shipping vehicles goes up or the shipping routes become embroiled in disputes (ie Korea) then that may change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinamonty View Post
    If the cost of shipping vehicles goes up or the shipping routes become embroiled in disputes (ie Korea) then that may change.
    I think it would still require a change in the Governments attitute towards car manufacturing as well.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Yes you are right but it would most be circumstances force their hand to change.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Don't you Aussies see you've committed suicide? Right here on the GM/Holden link you're talking about BMW taking over, you killed Holden buying Korean ****cans. I don't believe you understand business or you just have no love for the Australian cars. Sad as I bought the most expensive G8 and may buy an SS before Yuns go under. You have great cars. I too blame GM partly but it's the buyers who suck at knowing a great car when they flirt with subarus. Another boring **** car. You're not alone though Pontiac didn't die due to low sales. It died because our muslim traitor of a president demanded they kill it if they wanted the money. GM should have gone bankrupt & restructured w/o this dictator sob. Very sad, if enough Australians and other customers would demand GM keep Holden & back it up with purchases well that won't happen. The world car buyers are mostly idiots.

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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Sorry mate it wasn't the buyers that killed Holden or Australian industry it was a mix of clueless head office and clueless governments.
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Is the supplier base not going to dry up and disappear? Would enough suppliers be able to justify staying around on one relatively low-volume vehicle? I like the idea, and have wondered out loud if Hyundai or Kia can't produce a more affordable version of their RWD sedans for Australia, but building a car in Australia appears to be a difficult proposition at this point with everyone else pulling out.
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    I think the chances of getting anyone to build cars here again are none and buckleys, the current government doesn't want to support local manufacturing like other countries do and without that Government support it's even more expensive then it is with support.
    I heard mentioned GMI sometime ago that Holden could sell more Colorado's if they could get more but they have supply problems.
    I wonder how much of a difference to holden's bottom line would it been if GM decided to make them here instead of thailand.?
    Considering I read the other day that they are not going to upgrade the Thai plant now and are laying off workers.
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Quote Originally Posted by surgeont View Post
    Don't you Aussies see you've committed suicide? Right here on the GM/Holden link you're talking about BMW taking over, you killed Holden buying Korean ****cans. I don't believe you understand business or you just have no love for the Australian cars. Sad as I bought the most expensive G8 and may buy an SS before Yuns go under. You have great cars. I too blame GM partly but it's the buyers who suck at knowing a great car when they flirt with subarus. Another boring **** car. You're not alone though Pontiac didn't die due to low sales. It died because our muslim traitor of a president demanded they kill it if they wanted the money. GM should have gone bankrupt & restructured w/o this dictator sob. Very sad, if enough Australians and other customers would demand GM keep Holden & back it up with purchases well that won't happen. The world car buyers are mostly idiots.
    You're treading a fine line there champ. Please keep the school boy insults out of it.

    Holdens best selling car is still the Australian made Commodore so you're pretty far from the mark in just about every respect. The Commodore is a great car, no doubt, that's why I put my money where my mouth is. But for some people it is too big. For some people it is too thirsty and for some people they prefer to follow the pack and buy an SUV irrespective of their needs. Other people bought smaller cars because they were big enough for an urbanised lifestyle.

    The fact that you refer to us (reading the forum) as all of Australia, and that none of us know anything about business or don't have any love for Australian cars is clearly inaccurate.
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    Re: A suggestion for the future Aussie auto industry

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Sorry mate it wasn't the buyers that killed Holden or Australian industry it was a mix of clueless head office and clueless governments.
    and a less than co-operative AUD to USD exchange rate.

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