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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Toto View Post
    It's the same with the last gen Astra. In Europe, the top engine was the 1.6T whereas the Buick Verano offers a 2.0T in NA and China. Only the Astra GTC in OPC trim level had one too, but it is a different engine to the one from Buick.
    Yes but the Verano was built in the US not shipped from Germany with an engine it doesn't use in Europe

    My point is there are indeed special build models for Holden it's not just a matter of slapping a different badge on
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Explain the V6 AWD NG Commodore then

    there are no Insignia with the V6
    Toto has already answered your question in Post No. 44. Although the Insignia will not offer a V6, the Buick Regal will. The Commodore is able to offer a V6 because the Insignia has been structurally engineered for Buick to accept a V6.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    If we got this exactly like it is, I'd definitely be in line for one.
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    Toto has already answered your question in Post No. 44. Although the Insignia will not offer a V6, the Buick Regal will. The Commodore is able to offer a V6 because the Insignia has been structurally engineered for Buick to accept a V6.
    So they will then ship the regal halfway around the world ?

    Do you even read what you type sometimes?
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    So they will then ship the regal halfway around the world ?

    Do you even read what you type sometimes?
    The current Regal is assembled in North America. There is speculation that the next generation Regal may be assembled in Germany. The most recent speculation that I have seen was published in May 2016. However, I have seen nothing definitive to say that Regal assembly will remain in Canada or if it will move back to Germany.

    As to your question--I do indeed read what I type.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    The current Regal is assembled in North America. There is speculation that the next generation Regal may be assembled in Germany. The most recent speculation that I have seen was published in May 2016. However, I have seen nothing definitive to say that Regal assembly will remain in Canada or if it will move back to Germany.

    As to your question--I do indeed read what I type.
    OK so lets assume for a minute that Germany will indeed manufacture the Regal and Holden V6 AWD models

    AFAIK no german plant builds the 3.6 litre engine so that will be shipped from presumably a North American plant halfway round the world then shipped back to the US and Australia in a car

    You've been on record in multiple threads how this is an unsustainable model with Holden V8 production so whats the difference?
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    OK so lets assume for a minute that Germany will indeed manufacture the Regal and Holden V6 AWD models

    AFAIK no german plant builds the 3.6 litre engine so that will be shipped from presumably a North American plant halfway round the world then shipped back to the US and Australia in a car

    You've been on record in multiple threads how this is an unsustainable model with Holden V8 production so whats the difference?
    Economies of scale.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    OK so lets assume for a minute that Germany will indeed manufacture the Regal and Holden V6 AWD models

    AFAIK no german plant builds the 3.6 litre engine so that will be shipped from presumably a North American plant halfway round the world then shipped back to the US and Australia in a car

    You've been on record in multiple threads how this is an unsustainable model with Holden V8 production so whats the difference?
    Many brands spread their powertrain production around the world and then shipping them to where specific models are built - in decades past, huge numbers of Australian-built engines were shipped to Opel-Vauxhall in Europe.

    Whether the Regal will share body panels with Insignia remains to be seen - if it does it would give economy of scale to have them built alongside the Insignia and Commodore by Opel.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Many brands spread their powertrain production around the world and then shipping them to where specific models are built - in decades past, huge numbers of Australian-built engines were shipped to Opel-Vauxhall in Europe.

    Whether the Regal will share body panels with Insignia remains to be seen - if it does it would give economy of scale to have them built alongside the Insignia and Commodore by Opel.
    Yep I realise all of this and Golf Bravos comment on economies of scale is also relevant

    What i'm trying to get to is get a straight answer why its different for one plant to send (lets say its going to be less than 10k a year) engines from one plant to another halfway around the world then send them in a car to the other side of the world again to another one.

    Regal production was quickly shifted to North America and I cant see the Trump administration taking too kindly to German production of a GM product when he goes off his nut over Mexican production

    So I forsee one of a few scenarios happening

    The AWD V6 model gets canned after one generation due to poor sales

    Or it gets built in a North American plant

    The second one seems totally stupid to me as there will be two plants supplying less than 25k per year production (assuming NG Commodore reaches 2/3 of current sales ) and shipping them halfway round the world.

    All these vehicles with unique to market features and badging

    Using Misters logic based on the SS Commodore shipped to the US it makes no sense at all to do this
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Regal production was quickly shifted to North America and I cant see the Trump administration taking too kindly to German production of a GM product when he goes off his nut over Mexican production
    The plans were laid long before Trump became President.

    I suspect the Regal wagon will last longer than Trump as president.
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Carbide View Post
    The plans were laid long before Trump became President.

    I suspect the Regal wagon will last longer than Trump as president.
    Wha?

    this has gone far beyond the Commodore Wagon thread lol
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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Wha?

    this has gone far beyond the Commodore Wagon thread lol
    Commodore Wagon if its made in the US then make it a President Wagon.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    OK so lets assume for a minute that Germany will indeed manufacture the Regal and Holden V6 AWD models

    AFAIK no german plant builds the 3.6 litre engine so that will be shipped from presumably a North American plant halfway round the world then shipped back to the US and Australia in a car

    You've been on record in multiple threads how this is an unsustainable model with Holden V8 production so whats the difference?
    You are assuming facts not in evidence. You can't just fantasize a scenario and then try to escoriate someone else for your fantasy. Having said that, the reason to move Regal production back to Germany is that demand is too low to make North American production profitable. In that event, Buick won't be shipping V6s around the globe for long because the new Regal won't be around for long.

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    Re: Next Gen Commodore Wagon Revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    You are assuming facts not in evidence. You can't just fantasize a scenario and then try to escoriate someone else for your fantasy. Having said that, the reason to move Regal production back to Germany is that demand is too low to make North American production profitable. In that event, Buick won't be shipping V6s around the globe for long because the new Regal won't be around for long.


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    Opel still makes the best looking cars GM makes.

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