The old Phaeton is an insanely good value used because of it's very high depreciation. Check out these numbers
2004 Gray V8 34,700 mi $29200
2004 Blue V8 30,000 mi. $31200
2004 Maroon V8 27600 mi $27600
2004 Silver V8 56,700 mi $26300
2004 Silver V8 50,970 mi $26300
2004 Black W12 52,000 mi $33500
$33,500 for a full size top-of-the-line luxury car with 444HP? At that price, it's a no-brainer. We can all afford a high-end German luxury car.
But there is a catch - this car is no Lexus LS. If you're planning to buy one, make sure you have the most comprehensive and concrete aftermarket warranty in the world. Otherwise, you'll empty your bank account in no time on maintenance.
Bah. I wish they'd focus on making real "people's cars" again. Like a next-gen Beetle in the $12K range for starters.
I think that's the important point. I'm sure a big piece of the depreciation is that the car sold poorly and just didn't impress people who place a lot of prestige in brand names. But Volkswagen is traditionally poor with reliability across their entire lineup (not rated well by JD Powers, Consumer Reports, the guys on Car Talk, or any other major automotive review organization I know). An unreliable luxury car is a big expense.Originally Posted by guitarlix
I'd love to get one. 5200 pounds of tank!
Can someone help me tell the differences on the old Phaeton and the new one? I cant seem to tell.
The Volkswagen Phaeton is hand-built at the same transparent factory in Dresden, Germany where the Bentley Continental GT, GTC and Flying Spur are also hand-built.Originally Posted by guitarlix
The Phaeton is so perfect, that after 5 years of production, the only updates Volkswagen lavished on the 2008 model is a bit of chrome round the grille, led lights around the headlights and smoked tail lights.
Yes, I'm aware of that, since I posted Dreden factory tour pics a while ago. What is your point?Originally Posted by Kowalski
I really like the Phaeton, but I TOTALLY understand why it failed in the US. People who have that kind of $ aren't going to drop it on a v-dub.
Why not make it an Avalon competitor? Large entry-luxury vehicle.
2007 Chevy HHR LT
2010 Camaro SS
L M F A O!!!!!!!!!!
How in the world did Peich manage THIS!!!???
This is the biggest joke in the automotive industry.
No matter what happens, Phaeton will not sell in this country... or in any other country.
Originally Posted by guitarlix
I hope this time Americans stop being so superficial, and now judge this car by the merits of it and not by the badge.
Give it a try and you will be amazed, the Phaeton is an utterly brilliant car.
I loved the Phaeton...just seemed too expensive to be competitive. I dont doubt or think it lacks anything..it just is an expensive price tag on the window of a VDub.
I think the few Americans who did try it the first time have now switched to Lexus.Originally Posted by Kowalski
Don't surgar-coat it.Originally Posted by Kowalski
The factory was built for Phaeton specifically. Then when VW realized they couldn't sell the darned thing anywhere, brought in the Bentleys, as they are on the same platform and can use the "hand crafted" aura to its advantage.
Phaeton is a great car. I enjoyed driving it when I was in Salzburg. But this car is completely inappropriate for the VW brand.
Umm... Phaeton was never supposed to make it to America. But because they couldn't sell it in necessary volumes in Europe, they opened it up to the American market, where it consistently failed to meet expectations of a meager 25,000 annual. I believe it barely cleared 5,000.Originally Posted by Kowalski
Besides, it's not just Americans being superficial. Europeans and Asians (Chinese and Japanese) are being equally superficial, as they aren't buying it either.
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