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    Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions
    MotorTrend
    July 7, 2011
    by John Carey


    Maurizio Reggiani shakes his head with regret. Without a word, Lamborghini's R&D director indicates that manual transmissions have no future in his company's cars. Only a tiny fraction of customers choose a stick shift for their Gallardo, and Lamborghini's new Aventador comes with a fully automated seven-speed single-clutch transmission, and no manual transmission. Just 1 to 2 percent of the cars rolling out of the company's small Sant'Agata Bolognese factory are equipped with three pedals, Reggiani says.

    A manual transmission, explains the R&D director, is a break in the electronic chain of command that harmonizes absolutely everything that happens between engine combustion chamber and tire contact patch. The only way Lamborghini can guarantee soothing smoothness in city driving or back-thumpingly explosive acceleration on a winding road is for every system in the car to be interconnected. You can't rely on a driver to always shift gears without glitches, Reggiano says. But you can count on next year's replacement for the now-8-year-old Gallardo to come only with an automated transmission.

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Did anyone else read this and think "aren't all Lamborghini's manual?"

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    This will upset people.LOL

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Quote Originally Posted by ne_one View Post
    Did anyone else read this and think "aren't all Lamborghini's manual?"
    No... This is a trend that started almost a decade ago. Ferrari is also seeing a huge percentage of their sales being automatic equipped machines, though I don't believe the percentage is as high as with Lamborghini.

    It's not really hard to see why. Most of the sales of these cars, in the U.S. anyway, are to top money makers who happen to live in urban or heavily populated suburban areas. It's advantageous to operate an automatic in these areas. Combine that with the fact that less and less U.S. drivers can operate a manual transmission, and that Lamborghini has a penchant for attracting the nouveau riche, who are not necessarily true sports car enthusiasts... They buy one because it's an ostentatious statement of their wealth... And it becomes clear why the transition will be made.

    I don't want to sound like I believe all Lambo owners are this way... But it's obvious from the results that this is what's happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by ne_one View Post
    A manual transmission, explains the R&D director, is a break in the electronic chain of command that harmonizes absolutely everything that happens between engine combustion chamber and tire contact patch. The only way Lamborghini can guarantee soothing smoothness in city driving or back-thumpingly explosive acceleration on a winding road is for every system in the car to be interconnected. You can't rely on a driver to always shift gears without glitches, Reggiano says. But you can count on next year's replacement for the now-8-year-old Gallardo to come only with an automated transmission.
    While much of his quote may be true, there's still an element of spin here. The manual is being dropped because with such a low "take rate," it costs too much to produce. Simple as that. The article continues to state that Lambo only produces about 1,200 vehicles per year, so it's easy to see how low the number produced with manuals is if the take rate is "1 to 2" percent... The low 20's, depending on exact percentage...

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Lamborghini no longer can hold its own in racing circles. Its not relevant to the car enthusiasts who wants real racing pedigree.. A Gallardo cannot keep up with a GT2 Porsche or a Z06 Corvette.

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    This might be why...

    It took 30 years to realize I DO like Corinthian leather...

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    It's not an auto its a manual with a computer attached to change gears

    No computer is better than me however at deciding when i want to be in the right gear

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Quixote88 View Post
    No... This is a trend that started almost a decade ago. Ferrari is also seeing a huge percentage of their sales being automatic equipped machines, though I don't believe the percentage is as high as with Lamborghini.

    It's not really hard to see why. Most of the sales of these cars, in the U.S. anyway, are to top money makers who happen to live in urban or heavily populated suburban areas. It's advantageous to operate an automatic in these areas. Combine that with the fact that less and less U.S. drivers can operate a manual transmission, and that Lamborghini has a penchant for attracting the nouveau riche, who are not necessarily true sports car enthusiasts... They buy one because it's an ostentatious statement of their wealth... And it becomes clear why the transition will be made.

    I don't want to sound like I believe all Lambo owners are this way... But it's obvious from the results that this is what's happening.


    While much of his quote may be true, there's still an element of spin here. The manual is being dropped because with such a low "take rate," it costs too much to produce. Simple as that. The article continues to state that Lambo only produces about 1,200 vehicles per year, so it's easy to see how low the number produced with manuals is if the take rate is "1 to 2" percent... The low 20's, depending on exact percentage...
    Lambo's Magneti-Marelli E gear, and the latest ISR 7 speed are not automatics...they are manual transmissions with electronic controls. Simply put no one was buying the last gen Murcielago in manual, and the manual cars are also slower. It makes sense because it also eliminates a lot of warranty issues, and overrevs or mis shifts. The fact is these cars are far more car than the average buyer can handle, and even as an enthusiast I would not buy the manual.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Lamborghini no longer can hold its own in racing circles. Its not relevant to the car enthusiasts who wants real racing pedigree.. A Gallardo cannot keep up with a GT2 Porsche or a Z06 Corvette.
    Lamborghini never had any real racing pedigree, in fact Ferrucio Lamborghini hated racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    It's not an auto its a manual with a computer attached to change gears

    No computer is better than me however at deciding when i want to be in the right gear
    I can powershift, and heel and toe downshift like a pro ...but the fact remains that even with my best efforts...I would be far slower in a car like this. No human can shift as fast, no not even powershifting ( 50-100 ms shifts) and its far easier to control a car with this kind of power.

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    I'm not concerned with shifting faster than a computer i just want to be in the right gear at the right time , my choice not a computers

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    If only 1-2% of buyers get manuals, I can see why they're moving away from them. I bet half the Lamborghini employees cried over the decision, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    It's not an auto its a manual with a computer attached to change gears

    No computer is better than me however at deciding when i want to be in the right gear
    It has toggles on the steering wheel that will raise and lower a gear for you, and unlike in a typical $25,000 car with an automatic that has this feature, in a high end vehicle it will do exactly what you're telling it to do and hold a gear no matter how hard you bounce the engine off the rev limiter.

    So you can still decide which gear it's in every bit as much as with a regular manual. You just lose the sensation of changing the gear yourself.

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Damnit- I guess I'm going to have to cancel my order then....LOL!
    Get used to more.

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_S View Post
    If only 1-2% of buyers get manuals, I can see why they're moving away from them. I bet half the Lamborghini employees cried over the decision, though.



    It has toggles on the steering wheel that will raise and lower a gear for you, and unlike in a typical $25,000 car with an automatic that has this feature, in a high end vehicle it will do exactly what you're telling it to do and hold a gear no matter how hard you bounce the engine off the rev limiter.

    So you can still decide which gear it's in every bit as much as with a regular manual. You just lose the sensation of changing the gear yourself.
    In a road car padles make no sense - rather have a shifter

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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    In a road car padles make no sense - rather have a shifter
    Exactly...

    Thanks though, Germeezy, I know what the E Gear tranny is... I've driven them several times. No matter how you cut it, it's not the same as shifting a true manual tranny. To me, it's more automatic than manual. That primal feeling is gone.

    Honestly, I've always felt that the modern Lambos were relatively easy to handle compared to the old ones... Even easier than the ZO6 Corvettes, which all have true manuals, but to each their own... I can't afford either!

    But call it what you want to call it, "real" manual trannies are gone from an Italian sports car builder and that makes me a saaaad panda...


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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    Quote Originally Posted by jgill16 View Post
    This will upset people.LOL
    Yes it will. It also means conclusively that all Lambo drivers will now rate as average or worse. Manual trannies make you a better driver, don't forget!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Badrinath View Post
    This might be why...

    talent, talent, talent. hoo boy

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    It's not an auto its a manual with a computer attached to change gears

    No computer is better than me however at deciding when i want to be in the right gear
    I'm sorry, David, I can't do that...

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    Dave Bowman: What are you talking about, HAL?
    HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
    Dave Bowman: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.
    HAL: I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.
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    HAL: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeetheUSA View Post
    Damnit- I guess I'm going to have to cancel my order then....LOL!
    Yeah, me too. Oh well, I've got a 200. I'd rather have an m&m car than a justin barber car, if it comes down to that!

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    In a road car paddles make no sense - rather have a shifter
    Maybe it floats too?
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    Re: Lamborghini to Drop Manual Transmissions

    I never knew that they sold these with automatics.

    Man....
    85 cars since 1975....
    Good night and good luck.

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