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    If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

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    But then, a few months ago, I had the chance to get up close and personal with a 2013 Land Cruiser, which is the model I want. And do you know what I discovered? The turn signal stalk is from a Toyota Sienna. The steering wheel is from a Toyota Tundra. The window switches are from a Toyota Camry. The Land Cruiser – the mighty Land Cruiser, with its go-anywhere persona and its near-$90,000 price tag – is a parts bin special.

    So why, you are asking, does this matter?

    Here’s why: have you ever sat in a Range Rover? I mean, seriously. The thing is gorgeous. It’s beautiful. The interior is filled with perfectly woven leather and handsome electronics and a lot of other stuff you can’t afford and shouldn’t touch with your grimy little meathooks. It’s the perfect automotive accessory for the kind of person who pays $84 for a designer clothes hanger at the kind of designer furniture store where the salesperson sneers at you even if you buy something.

    And it’s not just the Land Cruiser that suffers from this parts bin issue. Ultimately, the Infiniti QX80 shares many interior components with other, cheaper Infiniti models. The Escalade is just a really nice Tahoe. The Lincoln Navigator is an outdated dinosaur. The Mercedes G-Wagen is really the only SUV that offers the same level of bespoke character as the Range Rover – but most Range Rover people I talk to (including myself) think the G-Wagen goes a little too far down the “asshole” scale for serious consideration. NOTE: If your car is “too asshole” for Range Rover buyers, it may be time to start dialing it back a little.
    This is why Escalade can never command the price and prestige of a Range Rover.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Essentially true.

    How does the Escalade get around this? "Bespoke" parts. You don't want the Escalade to share a column shifter with the Tahoe? Easy, make a new one out of leather, wood, and brushed metal.





    Despite using almost all the same parts, which appears more bespoke?
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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by wescoent View Post
    Essentially true.

    How does the Escalade get around this? "Bespoke" parts. You don't want the Escalade to share a column shifter with the Tahoe? Easy, make a new one out of leather, wood, and brushed metal.
    While I completely agree with you, I doubt GM cares enough to make changes to the winning formula. The Escalade sells well, and the margin on a nicely equipped Cadillac "Tahoe" has them laughing all the way to the bank. Making a bunch of changes with "bespoke" parts will cut into that margin for a likely minimal increase in sales.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    "... the “asshole” scale ..."

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    People need to get this through their heads: The Escalade was never ever designed to compete with the Range Rover and never will be. The people at Cadillac doesn't really care about the Range Rover or Land Rover for that matter.

    Cadillac has interesting plans for the future of the Escalade.
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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    I was under the impression that things have been considerably better since Tata took over.

    My best buddy worked as a valet though for higher end restaurants and the like around the metro Detroit area and said that every Rover he parks over 2 years old has a Christmas tree dash.

    That's one reason I'd like to pick up a used G-wagen...I've trolled ebay countless times and read on Benz forums about their reliability and they're quite solid. Except for salvage vehicles I have yet to find one with a check engine or ABS light on (etc)

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    I will never ever get why the GWagon is thought of as anything special. It is quite honestly, less advanced than a 1993 Toyota Corolla. I mean that. It is the epitome of shoddy workmanship. It reminds me of something U would put together in your backyard.

    To the Escalade. It is the epitome of TARGET when it comes to so many SUV articles. Yes it has a column shifter that is found in the Tahoe and Yukon.. but honestly we are still talking about a Tahoe or a a Yukon that can reach into the 9$90K range themselves.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by afako View Post
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    This is why Escalade can never command the price and prestige of a Range Rover.
    Yet. The Omega ones will change that.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    How many Range Rovers have they sold so far this year? I'm going to guess not nearly as many as Escalades.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Range Rover isn't unreliable, it just isn't as reliable as the others.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    I would definitely buy a new Escalade. I would lease a Range Rover only because their reliablity, in my opinion, has yet to be proven under Tata. I do think it is getting better and the vehicles themselves are better too.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by MiatsoCi View Post
    I will never ever get why the GWagon is thought of as anything special.
    It's an old school Mercedes from a time before there was such a thing as Lexus. The thing is a friggin' battleship.
    Like most luxury cars, I assume most Land Rovers are leased. When the warranty's up, they're somebody else's problem.
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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Fury View Post
    People will always buy LR because it is not GM, and for that reason only.
    Those people could care less about GM.

    Quote Originally Posted by F14CRAZY View Post
    I was under the impression that things have been considerably better since Tata took over.
    The newer ones are much better, from my understanding. Same with Jag. Takes a while to shake a bad reputation.

    Quote Originally Posted by 61BelAir View Post
    How many Range Rovers have they sold so far this year? I'm going to guess not nearly as many as Escalades.
    I bet they've sold more RR's. Remember its sold internationally in many more markets than Escalade. I think both RR and Mercedes GL outsell the Escalade internationally. I think the new RR still has a waiting list, it was up to 14 months at one point.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    It's an old school Mercedes from a time before there was such a thing as Lexus. The thing is a friggin' battleship.
    Like most luxury cars, I assume most Land Rovers are leased. When the warranty's up, they're somebody else's problem.
    It literally is a pimped out military vehicle. Its a freakin' tank. Its iconic, just like the Wrangler is for Jeep.
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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    A different thought in regards to Range Rover customers not caring. There are two different types of customers - first time and repeats. Are Range Rover customers all first timers lured in by the looks and detailing of the vehicle, willing to overlook the abysmal quality as they haven't experienced it first hand? I'll be more impressed if they have a high percentage of repeat customers who will continue to purchase knowing how big of a headache these cars are. So is Range Rover a case of one time buyers being ignorant as to the magnitude of quality issues?

    A friend of mine at work had one. It wasn't unusual to see her broken down on the side of i684.... She was a first time buyer and will NOT be a repeat buyer.

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    Re: If Range Rovers Are So Unreliable, Why Do People Still Buy Them?

    Quote Originally Posted by wescoent View Post
    Essentially true.

    How does the Escalade get around this? "Bespoke" parts. You don't want the Escalade to share a column shifter with the Tahoe? Easy, make a new one out of leather, wood, and brushed metal.

    Despite using almost all the same parts, which appears more bespoke?
    Well ****...

    I've been saying this forever Furthermore, if GM could actually do it for the ill-fated H2, why can't they do the same for Escalade?
    They hide behind excuse after excuse after excuse. And yet they are known to be capable of executing a product correctly.


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