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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    When a car becomes a pain in h butt to on because reliability is less than stellar I don't give a crap ht it looks like.

    This passat in the first drawing /photo looks good. Th other photos look pretty lame.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by Jesda View Post
    Most US-market VW engines are the soulless, gutless 2.5L I5.
    Well to be fair, its been replaced across the board with the new 1.8T for this year (which is excellent IMO). It is mated to a traditional 6 speed auto (not the DSG), but I have driven both the 2.5 auto and 1.8T auto now (same tranny) and I would never call the transmission lazy. Honestly, other manufacturers could learn from VW, I think they are that good. Theup-trims with DSG are insane good, and the TDi and 2.0T are stand out powertrains

    As for the Euro spec Passat, it does look excellent, I hope the NA version follows cue. The current one is elegant but perhaps a tad understated.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Usual design for VW. This all new Passat B8 looks like a facelifted B7(not sold in USA). So it's not an ugly car but it's not a spectacular design or design which brings emotions. It's suc a petty that such a talented designer like de Silva works for VAG.


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    What is interesting is weight saving up to 100 kg compared to old Passat B7 while they increased wheelbase by 8 cm.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    I wish we'd just get this Passat with removed options/features that suit American markets better. For example, the 2006-2011 Passat was a few grand more expensive as standard than an Accord of Camry. But I think it was built in Europe (raising costs, someone correct me if I'm wrong about where NA Passats were built) and had the 2.0T as standard. Built in the US with the 2.5L I-5 at the time should've been more than enough to get the price reduced by a few grand across the board right? A similar structure seems plausible to me for a new US-spec Passat rather than a completely different design - which despite the relaxed tuning, big space, and more competitive pricing, has still not gained share in the US market as Hyundai or Kia have.

    As a side note, one interesting thing I thought might be unique for VW would be offering a powerful but efficient TDI V-6. It'd easily have the performance of a gas V-6 or turbo-4, but with economy numbers like a NA I-4 (if not better based on EPA numbers for diesel German sedans). With the new TDI I-4 going up to 240 horsepower though, this may not be necessary anymore because that's already on par with the turbo-4 gas engines in the Fusion and (new) Sonata. But still, a 280 horsepower 3.0T diesel with upper-30s on the highway, if not even better?
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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    The 2006-2011 Passat wasn't built in the US so imported from somewhere, probably Germany.

    The 2011-on Passat for North America is essentially a Skoda Superb, badged as a VW Passat, built in the US to reduce costs.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by gcodori View Post
    At one point the passat was the same in both the us and Europe. The car was too small and to expensive for American tastes so they designed the passat we have here.

    Now there are two versions. The smaller but nicer euro passat and the bland but cheap us version.

    My hope is that vw brings this to the us so they can be the same car again but vw had proven they make poor choices when bringing designs to the us.

    The rumor is that the redesigned tdi engines will at least come to the us.

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    When the US received the same Passat, those were manufactured in Germany, weren't they or at least somewhere in Europe? The difference in currency + shipping has always doomed non luxury based European vehicles. Now that they have plants in NA, I am surprised they haven't brought the design more inline with the Euro spec, at least in features and design language.
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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    The U.S. will not get the Passat estate?

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    The U.S. will not get the Passat estate?

    Vw like most auto makers have stopped selling wagons in the US.

    Vw had shown a concept Wagon for the us but has failed to deliver on concepts intended for the US in the past. It's a raised awd version of the Wagon disguised as an suv.

    But rest assured if they can drop another overpriced suv on us they will figure out how.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    You mean the SUV that will be built at VW's Chattanooga plant?

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager View Post
    You mean the SUV that will be built at VW's Chattanooga plant?

    Yes. It's a lot smaller in real life.

    There's a photo of it being introduced to the public and the executive standing next to it is either a giant or this is golf or jetta sized. Why even bother?

    Who's going to pay vw money for a crv sized vehicle?

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    I'd have to say it's an improvement over the Invisible Forgettable Undercover FBI Model currently sold.

    That said, the front looks somewhat Cadillac-ish and the rear looks Buick-ish to my eyes. But I won't be buying any VWs in the near future so, as the man so famously said, WHO CARES?
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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Why on earth wouldn't they sell the Euro one here? Too small?
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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by jry View Post
    Why on earth wouldn't they sell the Euro one here? Too small?
    I doubt it's too small, but I think VW would prefer selling Americans a product of large size for the segment akin to the current NA Passat or Honda Accord. One of the other issues was that the Passat was essentially "too premium" for the American midsize family sedan segment. And in fact, it probably was. The previous Passat had a notably higher base price compared to the Camcords of that era and could be loaded up to nearly 40K (if not more). I remember C&D testing a 2006 VR6 that was ~38K. Of course that had a level of interior quality, features, and so on that exceeded most family sedans and badge aside, was probably perfectly in line with the "premiumness" that one would see in the TLs or 3-Series at that range.

    But of course the reality was that it still was just too expensive to have the same universal appeal of the Camcord leaders of the segment. What I'd have done when the current Euro Passat B7 was launched is to have that car instead -devoid of obvious overly luxury options like the real wood trim, etc- built at the plant in the US with the engines that we have available in our current NA Passat. Probably would've been cheaper than designing a new NA-spec car, but I think VW expected the extra size to help the NA car more than it has thus far.

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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    I doubt it's too small, but I think VW would prefer selling Americans a product of large size for the segment akin to the current NA Passat or Honda Accord. One of the other issues was that the Passat was essentially "too premium" for the American midsize family sedan segment. And in fact, it probably was. The previous Passat had a notably higher base price compared to the Camcords of that era and could be loaded up to nearly 40K (if not more). I remember C&D testing a 2006 VR6 that was ~38K. Of course that had a level of interior quality, features, and so on that exceeded most family sedans and badge aside, was probably perfectly in line with the "premiumness" that one would see in the TLs or 3-Series at that range.

    But of course the reality was that it still was just too expensive to have the same universal appeal of the Camcord leaders of the segment. What I'd have done when the current Euro Passat B7 was launched is to have that car instead -devoid of obvious overly luxury options like the real wood trim, etc- built at the plant in the US with the engines that we have available in our current NA Passat. Probably would've been cheaper than designing a new NA-spec car, but I think VW expected the extra size to help the NA car more than it has thus far.
    It has nothing to do with how different the markets are because what actually happened was that the US and China actually god a new car while the Europeans got nothing. When the NMS Passat was almost ready to entire production a few years ago the European market was dead as a doornail and "midsize sedans" were going nowhere. The only new midsize sedan to come out during that period in Europe was the Mondeo/Fusion. The markets where midsize sedans were growing are the US and China, and that's where NMS went. Both the Chinese and US markets demands a ~110" wheelbase car, which is where Camry, Accord and Altima/Teana are the B7 "Euro" Passat that is also sold in China under FAW-VW is a 110" wheelbase version. The European B7 was a 106". Who knows what they would have done if the European market wasn't dead but as it stands they didn't introduce a new Passat because there was no point.

    GM for some reason did the opposite of everyone else and turned the new Malibu into a 107" WB European car and sold that in the US/China too, where it doesn't compete with anything other than the Regal. So there, if you want a tiny European car with no backseat then you can get the Malibu. Heck of a job there GM!
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    Re: The 2015 Volkswagen Passat Looks Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by gcodori View Post
    Yes. It's a lot smaller in real life.

    There's a photo of it being introduced to the public and the executive standing next to it is either a giant or this is golf or jetta sized. Why even bother?

    Who's going to pay vw money for a crv sized vehicle?

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    I care nothing about VW. In fact, my wife had a Tiguan when we met, and it was a piece of crap. We traded it in earlier this year. That being said, living here in Chattanooga, I know way more about VW than I care to.

    The Cross Blue won't be CRV sized. They're saying it's VW's answer to the Acadia, Ford Explorer, Honda Pilot, etc. They keep harping on the fact that it will have seven seats. If this is wrong and it's a CRV competitor, our local news outlets have had the story all wrong (which I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out, but still).

    Meanwhile, if the Passat built here is getting a facelift, I haven't heard. I could have certainly missed it though.
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