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    2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    Cant believe there wasnt a thread for this yet...







    Mercedes has taken the wraps of the ultimate version of its all-new C-Class sedan - the C63 AMG with 457 hp and 443 pound-feet of torque.


    Under the hood is the same 6.3-litre V-8 that's in AMG versions of the M-Class and CL. In the C-Class it gives a 0-60 mph time of 4.5 seconds and an electronically limited top speed of 155 mph.


    Mated to the engine is AMG's Speedshift Plus 7G-TRONIC transmission. Steering wheel shift paddles and three driving modes - Sport, Comfort and Manual - are standard. The newcomer will be the first AMG car to feature an automatic throttle-blipping function during downshifts. Mercedes say this enhances the driver's emotional experience, but also gives almost completely jolt-free downshifting.


    It's also the first AMG to feature a three-stage stability control system, which allows the driver to pre-set the vehicle's dynamic thresholds. Put simply, this means he can predetermine at which point during an extreme maneuver he or she wants the stability control to activate.


    A sports suspension and 18-inch AMG alloys (or optional 19-inch rims) will offer an outstanding driving experience, according to the German firm.


    This is the fifth generation of the AMG C-Class, the heritage of which dates back to the C36 AMG (1993). It was the very first vehicle developed as a joint venture between Daimler-Benz and AMG.


    The new model will go on sale across Europe during next year.

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    Re: 2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    DAMN, that is one fine looking car. If only I had enough dollars..

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    Edmunds Test Drive: First Impressions:
    A legitimate M3 challenger from AMG.







    Tire Smoke in the 457-hp Mercedes C-Class

    It's the fourth lap and I'm beginning to get the hang of getting the most out of the 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.

    Nudge the brakes to settle the rear of the car, flick the steering wheel into the corner entry while grabbing 2nd gear with the shift paddles, then turn sharply left but not so aggressively as to accelerate the weight transfer, and finally allow the inside tires to mount the painted curb at the apex as we nail the throttle hard.

    An early whiff of understeer quickly but progressively gives way to mild oversteer as the 6.2-liter V8's prodigious reserves are unleashed to the rear wheels and the limited-slip differential goes to work, bringing the tail of the car around on the exit as the tires scramble for traction. Keeping our right foot planted on the floor, the slip angle increases until we're grappling with a full quarter turn of opposite lock.

    We can't help but laugh out loud as we grab a fleeting glance in the rearview mirror and see a trail of white tire smoke billowing from behind.

    No Stability Control Here
    The Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG is making a solid impression at Circuit Paul Ricard in the South of France. In fact, we're wondering if the new BMW M3 will be able to match the C63 AMG's dynamic prowess.

    It's not the baritone exhaust note or the straight-line speed but instead the precise handling at the limit that marks the new C63 AMG as a far more sporting proposition than its predecessor, the C55. The new C63 goes beyond the conventions that have defined each and every AMG model for the good part of the past decade, adding a welcome degree of finesse to the driving experience.

    But that's not to say the C63 lacks any of the unadulterated performance muscle we have come to expect from Mercedes-Benz's storied performance-car division. It still does the old point-and-squirt routine as well as any rival. In fact, AMG's entry-level model is now more rapid than ever, and it gets to 100 kph (62 mph) in 4.5 seconds, a whopping 0.7 second faster than the former C55 — and 0.3 second faster than the forthcoming BMW M3.

    The car's top speed has been limited to 155 mph, although C63 customers will have the opportunity to bring 174 mph within reach by ordering an optional Sport package that includes such goodies as the limited-slip differential and a set of spectacular-looking 19-inch wheels adorned with Bridgestone Potenza REO50A tires, 235/35ZR19s in front and 255/30ZR19s in the rear.

    Hardware To Challenge the M3
    Based on the new third-generation C-Class, the C63 has been equipped with hardware specifically to counter the performance of the new BMW M3 with its V8 engine. Much like the CLK 63 AMG Black Series, the C63 AMG has a wider front track with exceptionally stiff wheel bearings to withstand higher cornering loads. It doesn't sound like much, but as you set off down the road for the first time, you can tell the difference.

    With a quicker steering ratio that yields 2.5 turns lock-to-lock, the steering also feels highly accurate, especially straight ahead where it is terrifically precise. You have an immediate impression of greater agility, added response and better feedback.

    AMG has also thoroughly rethought its philosophy regarding electronic stability control. Switch off the stability control by holding down the dashboard-mounted button for longer than 3 seconds and now it remains off. Also there's no further electronic intervention when a predetermined threshold is detected, except under heavy braking when the stability control helps to stabilize the front end as you're bearing down on a corner. But once you get back on the power again, the stability control disengages and there's plenty of opportunity for heavy doses of oversteer — not to mention the ability to light up those sizable rear tires when accelerating with gusto from a standstill.

    But wait. There's more! The AMG-calibrated stability control has a Sports mode in which the intervention threshold allows the rear end to step out of line without the electronics prematurely dumping power from the engine and applying the brakes. It seems like the perfect solution for those like us who like to explore what the chassis has to offer but also like the idea of stability control working away in the background just in case something goes terribly wrong. Meanwhile, it's best to keep the stability control engaged during everyday driving.

    On the Track and on the Road
    The C63 feels more fluid and better balanced than the C55 ever was. It is an altogether more satisfying and accommodating car to drive, and it responds to driver inputs with added sharpness and a degree of communication no other regular production Mercedes-Benz model offers. As it approaches the limit, the chassis balance is almost neutral, and the dynamic boundaries are clearly defined thanks to the clear messages coming through the steering wheel. Exceptional body control makes cornering a pleasure.

    Heading off the track and onto the roads around the Circuit Paul Ricard in Southern France, we discover the C63's ride is indeed firm, but soft suspension bushings and a good deal of wheel travel ensure it never gets too harsh or noisy even on poor pavement. It is only really when you hit something abrupt that the stiffly sprung underpinnings and a general lack of compliance in the tires combine to send a nasty shock up through the chassis. Predictably, the 14.2-inch front discs and 13.0-inch rear discs help deliver massive levels of stopping power, although pedal effort isn't high.

    Aggression You Can See
    The C63 AMG is a real head-turner, with the sort of visual potency to match its on-road muscle. The aggressive good looks begin with a heavily reworked front end that receives a unique bumper, with sizable ducts to cool a whole armada of radiators crammed in front of the engine. It is supported by a special twin-blade grille, headlamps boasting special titanium inserts designed to give them a meaner look, and reworked fenders with heavily flared wheel arches.

    Toward the rear there are widened rocker sills, a subtle trunk-mounted spoiler, dark taillight lenses, a quar*** of chrome tailpipes and a bumper that incorporates a diffuser to draw hot air from the rear differential. It is all set off by a confident stance thanks to a 15mm lower ride height and standard 18-inch wheels.

    Aggression You Can't See

    The steel hood has a couple of power domes to provide clearance for the crushingly powerful 6.2-liter AMG V8. While the C55's V8 peaked at 362 horsepower, the normally aspirated AMG V8 ups the ante some 95 hp to 457 hp. By comparison, the 4.0-liter V8 in the new M3 kicks out 420 hp.

    The new engine really enhances the driving experience. Throttle response is noticeably sharper than before, and the revs build with a free-flowing intensity and then shut down quickly when you lift the throttle (no emissions-related throttle delay here). With torque peaking at 442 pound-feet at 5,000 rpm, acceleration is effortless regardless of speed. Indeed, it pays to keep a watchful eye on the C63's speedometer, as acceleration can be quite deceptive, especially in higher gears where a lack of strain keeps the noise down.

    Despite toying with the idea of equipping its latest sport sedan with a new dual-clutch sequential manual gearbox that is nearing production, AMG has once again used its seven-speed automatic with three different modes: Comfort, Sport and Manual. This seven-speed with its conventional torque convertor has been reworked to apply a healthy blip of the throttle to speed downshifts. Under light loads, the transmission swaps cogs seamlessly, but as you dip into the prodigious torque offered by the engine, the shift action tends to become less than smooth.

    AMG Brings You More Than Just Speed
    While its engine continues to provide heady levels of high-speed entertainment, the 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG manages to offer much more than pure straight-line speed.

    In outright dynamic finesse, the C63 is a far more attractive proposition than the old C55. Indeed, we'd say this car is superior to any other regular Mercedes-Benz model. There's true precision in the way it goes about its business. What's more, it delivers the sort of response you just don't expect from a Mercedes-Benz. In this respect, it is very much a standout.

    The big question now is, can the C63 AMG properly challenge the new M3? By week's end we'll be able to give you a subjective assessment, but the real answer will have to wait until later this year when we get a chance to put the two up against each other in anger.




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    Re: 2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    I always loved AMG's work there

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    MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG

    ON SALE: Spring 2008
    BASE PRICE: N/A
    DRIVETRAIN: 6.2-liter, 457-hp, 442-lb-ft V8; rwd, seven-speed automatic
    CURB WEIGHT: 3650 lb
    0-60 MPH: 4.3 sec (est)
    FUEL ECONOMY: N/A




    To put it politely, the question is this: Has Mercedes-Benz finally learned that power alone is not enough? For years now, M-B’s celebrated AMG division has been turning out exciting cars with outputs to match their breathtaking price tags. Big, bold and brassy, there is no doubting their sheer firepower. But while they have all boasted incredible straight-line speed, they have tended to lack an intimacy that would set them apart from the competition.

    The new C63 is meant to change all that. It has been engineered in a program that its director of development, Tobias Moers, promises will challenge BMW’s new M3 for outright driver appeal. “We have left no stone unturned in efforts to provide our new car the necessary qualities to lift it above the competition,” he says, adding that the C63 has more development miles than any other car in AMG’s 40-year history.

    The wholesale change in philosophy is no better exemplified than by AMG’s decision to equip the C63 with an electronic stability program (ESP) that can be switched off completely. There’s no cop-out like the system employed on the old C55, which intervenes above a predetermined threshold even when it is supposedly disabled. Hold the button down for longer than three seconds and you disengage the electronic safety net. It continues to operate under braking but disappears under load, setting the scene for lurid oversteer as well as an arcane ability to light up the rear tires in first, second and third gears.

    “It was the one thing I really pushed hard to incorporate into the car from the beginning,” says Moers. “It is essential our customers can choose to use every last bit of their cars’ performance.”

    The appropriate word here is choose, because as well as being able to turn off the ESP, there is also a special sport mode that sees it continue to operate in the background but at a newly developed threshold that permits you to tease the rear end out without prematurely robbing power from the engine and applying the brakes.

    So the C63 is unshackled. The question is, does it make any difference? Oh, yeah. With this car, AMG has achieved a tremendous balance between power and poise. As well as being seriously fast, it also responds intuitively to your actions. Modifications to the third-generation C-Class’ rear-wheel-drive chassis deliver the sort of confidence-inspiring feedback over winding roads that soon prompts you to make the most of the switchable ESP. We can’t remember a more entertaining, more dynamically rounded Mercedes model since the original 190 2.5 Evo.

    It starts, as always, with the engine. Out goes the old 5.4-liter V8, its place taken by AMG’s latest 6.2-liter V8. The engine is mounted a half-inch farther back than the regular C-Class engines. The complete front-end structure has been redesigned around a series of radiators—a total of six crammed in on top of each other behind the front-end bodywork where they compete for air fed through liberal openings. (Note to self: Keep the expensive- looking nose away from guardrails.)

    The big V8 kicks out 457 hp at 6700 rpm along with a tumultuous 442 lb-ft at 5000 rpm. Central among the chassis changes is the adoption of the front axle from the CLK63 Black Series. Up in length by 1.3 inches over the standard C-Class and boasting redesigned wheel bearings, it adds true precision to the steering, imbuing the C63 with sharper turn-in and greater feedback than any other AMG model.

    The suspension, a four-link front and five-link rear arrangement, is related in principle to the standard C-Class but uses more aluminum to keep unsprung weight down. It supports 18-inch wheels shod with 245/40 front and 255/35 rear Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tires.

    It’s all clothed in an aggressive-looking body that turns the C63 into a real head-turner. One thing’s for sure: You’ll never mistake it for an ordinary C-Class. There’s a deep front bumper punctuated with enormous cooling ducts and vertically stacked blades at each side to extract air from the oil cooler. The car also has a twin-slat grille, titanium-colored headlight inserts, a restyled steel hood with a pair of power domes and widened front fenders with bulging wheel arches. It looks menacing but contemporary. Added to all this are chiseled side sills, a trunk-mounted spoiler, darkened tail-lamp lenses and a retroflex rear bumper.

    The changes continue inside, with contoured sport seats offering electronic cushion adjustments, a terrific flat-bottomed steering wheel with remote shift paddles for the C63’s seven-speed automatic gearbox and new instrument graphics.

    Fire the ignition, still activated via an electronic key rather than a starter button favored by some rivals. Ba-ba-ba . . . boom! The engine draws breath before erupting to life with a deep bellow through the exhausts, extinguishing any remaining doubts you might have had about AMG’s mission with the C63. Dial in the manual mode for the gearbox via a button on the center console, draw the stubby shift lever back to engage drive and ease away smartly with a determined stab of the throttle and the sound of rubber straining against the pavement.

    There are no cantankerous theatrics from the driveline, just one linear surge of acceleration. The engine responds with alacrity to every request, igniting power and then dousing it as your right foot demands. For all the apparent athleticism, it is smooth, running up to the 7000-rpm redline without any strain. And it is addictive: We found ourselves dropping back a gear at almost every opportunity, just to experience the sheer explosiveness concentrated in the upper reaches of the rev range. All the while the heavy-metal soundtrack hardens in concert with the V8’s howl.

    The relentless acceleration is as mind-blowing as the epic exhaust note. Mercedes-Benz claims 0 to 62 mph in just 4.5 seconds. That’s 0.3-second inside the time BMW quotes for the new M3 and becomes all the more impressive when you realize you are hauling 3650 pounds. Top speed is nominally capped at 155 mph, however, customers who specify the C63’s optional performance package receive a remapped ECU that extends it to a rather more fitting 174 mph. “It’s geared to do more . . . much more,” says Moers, “but we’ve got to consider the stresses being placed on the tires.”

    So it is no lightweight, but it has legs. Having seven gears to divvy up the power helps, of course. Even so, sixth and seventh are heavily overdriven to ensure fuel consumption remains semi-sane. On the early example we drove, however, the C63’s gearbox didn’t do the engine justice. Despite being reworked to provide a satisfying blip of the throttle on downshifts, it was slow to respond to upshift requests. AMG admits it needs work and says a fix is in the pipeline prior to North American sales early next year.

    While its engine plays a major role in defining the new Mercedes, it is the determined and entertaining way its chassis deploys its substantial reserves that sets it apart from previous AMG models. It is responsive, communicative and adjustable on the limit—hardly how we’d describe its predecessor, whose bold engine dominated proceedings in such a way that it was to the detriment of the overall driving experience. Pushed hard, the C63 reveals a multifaceted purposefulness we can’t wait to measure against the new M3.

    For all its inherent tautness, the ride is acceptable even on pockmarked pavement, with excellent rebound control helping to quell any nasty vertical movement. The front end is superbly damped, too, allowing the C63 to track faithfully without too much unsettling movement over bumps. Before long, you find yourself making big demands on the chassis, marveling at the directness and body control.

    It takes a special road to extract its best—better, still, a track where the new AMG’s high limits can be explored in safety. With the new ESP system switched to Sport, oversteer can be dialed up at will. Barrel into a corner hard on the brakes, tap the shift paddle to engage a lower gear and . . . WHAM! A big application of throttle gets the rear swinging out wide. But rather than premature surrender to the commands of the electronics just as the real action commences (as in other AMG models), the C63 follows your instructions. It is terrifically adjustable, the slip angles controlled via the throttle. If all this is not enough, you can switch the ESP off completely, at which point it becomes an even more willing sideways companion.

    We won’t see the C63 on these shores until next spring, and prices haven’t been set. We can’t emphasize enough just how much more invigorating AMG’s latest performance hero is to drive. It operates on a much higher level than its predecessor, in terms of performance and overall dynamic prowess. With the M3 waiting in the wings, the scene is now set for a battle royal.

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    I'd get one and put the C350 fascias, rockers, grille, hood and wheels on it. Image that power in a car that looks like this:

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    Re: 2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    VERY nice.
    That's a mean looking car. The seats look great!
    457HP should keep it ahead of the pack, but probably not for too long.

    And still no competitior from Cadillac....

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    Take notes Cadillac!

    Just makes sure the future CTS-V beats this

    I just can't make myself like the new interior on the C-Class.
    The CTS actually looks a lot better insdie, even on the base model.
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    Re: 2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    Quote Originally Posted by redTT
    BTW, HSV already has a 420 odd hp from their 6L LS2 pushrod engine with just as much torque. Why cant the technologically Germans beat this by a significant number?
    well, they have: the E63 using the same engine makes 507hp, nearly 100 more hp or around 21% more power from 5% more displacement. oh, and there's 465lb-ft of torque with the E as well.

    but they had to detune it for the C so as not to mess up the standard pecking order. much like Camaros generally are tuned (or at least officially rated) with less power than Vettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redTT
    The front especially the headlight, the wheel arch looks like a copy of Holden's WM Caprice, the wheels looks like a direct rip off of Holden's SS, the back looks close to HSV's, and even the spoiler lip reminds me of the G8. I thought Europe was the benchmark for design, I guess their doing a China and copying everyone.

    BTW, HSV already has a 420 odd hp from their 6L LS2 pushrod engine with just as much torque. Why cant the technologically Germans beat this by a significant number?
    The 6.2L produces more power than the LS7, while having near as much torque (Only 5 lb ft diffrence).

    So the LS7 has less power, and only 5 more lb ft of torque from a .8 L diffrence? That's just sad.

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    Re: 2008 Mercedes C63 AMG: 457HP/443lb-ft of torque

    Quote Originally Posted by MrJamesMc
    Take notes Cadillac!

    Just makes sure the future CTS-V beats this

    I just can't make myself like the new interior on the C-Class.
    The CTS actually looks a lot better insdie, even on the base model.
    Ummm.. No. Cadillac BLS-V (should it exist) will compete with this.

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    I am sorry but the interior is so lame even AMG's engine could not make up the loss.

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    doesn't the current CTS-V match that 0-60 time already with only 400 hp?? and to compare this motor to the LS7 is not saying much, the LS7 is way detuned than its true potential, and try getting 25+ mpg in this car... not gonna happen

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