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    Spy Shots: 2017 Lincoln Continental

    A little less the Bentley clone?

    by Jim Dunne on Jul.21, 2015

    http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2015...n-continental/

    Lincoln’s reentry into the premium luxury sedan market begins early next year when Ford Motor Co. takes the wraps – make that the jigsaw camouflage - off of the production version of the 2017 Continental.

    While we’ll have to wait to see the final sheet metal, our spies captured some first images of this road-going prototype undergoing testing. One of the biggest questions has been whether the final version will be so nearly as much Bentley-esque as the concept version that made its surprise debut at the New York Auto Show in April.
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    The article itself is kinda dumb.

    I guess no one has told Mr. Dunne that the Concepts sheetmetal is the production sheetmetal.
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    I wonder how long it will be? It looks long, but it can't stray much from the 200" mark based on what I'm seeing. v
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    I've been more entertained at the dentist than looking at these pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    I've been more entertained at the dentist than looking at these pictures.
    Rinse and spit, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dequindre View Post
    I wonder how long it will be? It looks long, but it can't stray much from the 200" mark based on what I'm seeing.
    maybe
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    I'm more excited about the next gen Lacrosse spy pics then these. As much as I rag on Buicks waterfall grill. I would bet my future first born that the Lacrosse would mop up this Lincoln from all aspects. I have a feeling reality will blow away any excitement the Lincoln concept brought to light.
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    Reminds me of the 2001-2 FWD Continental- it seems to have the same proportions. And that is not a good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbec View Post
    Reminds me of the 2001-2 FWD Continental- it seems to have the same proportions. And that is not a good thing!
    yeah, I am afraid it will be Skoda/Audi boring. Hopefully I am wrong.
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    I'm still unclear on who in the USA will buy this. I can see the concept having appeal in China, but the USA? Our definition of luxury is having excess ability/capacity that we may never use, but still want it for the prestige factor. Since this will be fwd based, will it have the chassis capabilities that the Germans and Cadillac have? Unless they have some trick suspension it is pretty likely the Continental will get beat up on the performance front, thus garnering negative reviews. Plus there isn't a big market for large, comfortable cars (Impala, Avalon, etc), the XTS (with a trick suspension as an option) shows us there is even less of a market market for expensive, large cars except for the older folks and livery. It just seems odd that Lincoln is making such a big splash in a near dead market segment. Maybe they will revive it, but I have my doubts. I like the concept, I thought it looks pretty cool. but I'm not going to buy it.

    Edit, profits obviously. I guess my real question is that everyone is talking about this like the second coming, I see a vehicle with limited sales potential in the USA, what is everyone thinking this car will do sales wise? It seems like people are thinking this will re-invigorate the segment and big, cushy cars will become popular again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    I have a feeling reality will blow away any excitement the Lincoln concept brought to light.
    Same here. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I'm still unclear on who in the USA will buy this. I can see the concept having appeal in China, but the USA? Our definition of luxury is having excess ability/capacity that we may never use, but still want it for the prestige factor. Since this will be fwd based, will it have the chassis capabilities that the Germans and Cadillac have? Unless they have some trick suspension it is pretty likely the Continental will get beat up on the performance front, thus garnering negative reviews. Plus there isn't a big market for large, comfortable cars (Impala, Avalon, etc), the XTS (with a trick suspension as an option) shows us there is even less of a market market for expensive, large cars except for the older folks and livery. It just seems odd that Lincoln is making such a big splash in a near dead market segment. Maybe they will revive it, but I have my doubts. I like the concept, I thought it looks pretty cool. but I'm not going to buy it.

    Edit, profits obviously. I guess my real question is that everyone is talking about this like the second coming, I see a vehicle with limited sales potential in the USA, what is everyone thinking this car will do sales wise? It seems like people are thinking this will re-invigorate the segment and big, cushy cars will become popular again.
    I don't get exactly who will buy this or CT6, but I genuinely believe more of those undefined people will buy Continentals.

    It's a simpler, more familiar car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I'm still unclear on who in the USA will buy this. I can see the concept having appeal in China, but the USA? Our definition of luxury is having excess ability/capacity that we may never use, but still want it for the prestige factor. Since this will be fwd based, will it have the chassis capabilities that the Germans and Cadillac have? Unless they have some trick suspension it is pretty likely the Continental will get beat up on the performance front, thus garnering negative reviews. Plus there isn't a big market for large, comfortable cars (Impala, Avalon, etc), the XTS (with a trick suspension as an option) shows us there is even less of a market market for expensive, large cars except for the older folks and livery. It just seems odd that Lincoln is making such a big splash in a near dead market segment. Maybe they will revive it, but I have my doubts. I like the concept, I thought it looks pretty cool. but I'm not going to buy it.

    Edit, profits obviously. I guess my real question is that everyone is talking about this like the second coming, I see a vehicle with limited sales potential in the USA, what is everyone thinking this car will do sales wise? It seems like people are thinking this will re-invigorate the segment and big, cushy cars will become popular again.
    I don't entirely disagree, but I think the burning desire for performance as defined by 'Ring times is way overblown in the luxury segment. I think in the North American context, performance luxury is all about the torque -- the sense of never, ever needed to go WOT to outrun traffic. Handling needs to be agile and secure, but outside of the V/M sub-series, most luxury buyers still want a smooth ride; probably even moreso now as our road systems are deteriorating. Give enough effortless torque, a smooth ride, capable road handling, lots of features and a sense of presence I think you'd hit the mark. In North America, a lot of the market is AWD (again -- wanting all-weather capability even if they won't even need it). So, an AWD Continental with a very flat torque curve and the kind of bespoke features we saw in the concept could turn some heads. Essentially, it's the Audi A8 (not S8) formula -- and that platform essentially is what the Bentley Continental rides on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    I don't get exactly who will buy this or CT6, but I genuinely believe more of those undefined people will buy Continentals.

    It's a simpler, more familiar car.
    I too am struggling with the CT6. Intellectually, I love it: it's a big light car that promises sparkling performance. But, in pictures, it looks way too much like a CTS. Some styling differentiation alone would have helped. Maybe a more formal backlight (like the '67 Eldorado that inspired A&S) to position the CT6 as a more 'formal' car -- and to potentially improve rear seat room. Then, maybe the CT6 could have been the 'athlete in a tux' to the CTS more pure sports sedan. I don't know -- I just find the CT6 seems like a CTS with a slightly nicer interior, offering much of the same value proposition, but will a little more. It's like a CTS+ rather than it's own thing. It will be interesting to see how the market responds. And, not having seen it in the flesh, I accept that it may have far more gravitas in person than it does in photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickbec View Post
    Reminds me of the 2001-2 FWD Continental- it seems to have the same proportions. And that is not a good thing!
    I've had exchanges with folks about this but I do have to say that the photos in this article are shot at long distance with a tele-photo lens. These do have a way of "compacting" an image and bringing background forward. This may be why the dash-axle and front overhang don't look....well... very flattering in these photos.

    I do think the production car might disappoint just a little bit from the Concept, but that's not exclusive to any one automaker.


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    The new Malibu seems to have a better proportion/stance than the above.

    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    but I genuinely believe more of those undefined people will buy Continentals.

    It's a simpler, more familiar car.
    Of course.

    The Continental SHOULD out sell the CT6 and by a mile. It's going to be at least $20K cheaper.

    (Also, if Cadillac keeps CT6 out of fleets, the Continental will do even better )

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