How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

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    How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Ford (NYSE:F) announced this week that it has struck a deal with aluminum giant Alcoa (NYSE:AA) to become the first automaker to use an advanced aluminum alloy developed specifically for cars and trucks.

    A new material that will help automakers reduce the weight of their vehicles
    The new aluminum alloy is made with a patented process that Alcoa calls "Micromill." It's said to be 30% stronger than the aluminum alloys now used by automakers and at least 30% lighter than automotive-grade high-strength steel......

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    I believe this is a repost, or I've read it elsewhere.

    Still, it sounds like an interesting material.

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    What's wrong with their current aluminum alloy?

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Butz View Post
    What's wrong with their current aluminum alloy?
    Well, for one thing it barely saves any weight vs. a steel Silverado.
    But that's not Alcoa's fault.
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    Well, for one thing it barely saves any weight vs. a steel Silverado.
    But that's not Alcoa's fault.
    Especially when you add a 300 lb sun roof to the options list....

    Lightest Silverado 1500 is Single cab 4x2 119" wb WT with 6 1/2 foot bed at 4,521 lbs.
    The comparable XL 4x2 122" wb F150 weighs 4050 lbs.....
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Is that one of the f150s they decided to skip on structural rreinforcements, until they got called out by the NHTSA? Starting in 2016 all f150s are supposed to have the reinforcements they decided to only put in crew cabs to pass crash standards.

    Wouldn't be surprised if that curb weight was one of Fords bumper or bed delete trucks. The mags always seem to weigh them much heavier than Ford does.

    No Sunroof weighs 300lbs either. Nice try.
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Hopefully they can stamp the aluminum better... and remove the waviness/distortion that seems to be prevalent in all the new F-150 doors.
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Especially when you add a 300 lb sun roof to the options list....

    Lightest Silverado 1500 is Single cab 4x2 119" wb WT with 6 1/2 foot bed at 4,521 lbs.
    The comparable XL 4x2 122" wb F150 weighs 4050 lbs.....
    I will say bravo to Ford / ALCOA if this NEW alloy can shed a few MORE LBS as those weights are in range of what we saw in the 80's and earlier for a WAY less safe / capable truck
    and is getting to "car" weights
    and it is ALL designed in AMERICA

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnough View Post
    Is that one of the f150s they decided to skip on structural rreinforcements, until they got called out by the NHTSA? Starting in 2016 all f150s are supposed to have the reinforcements they decided to only put in crew cabs to pass crash standards.

    Wouldn't be surprised if that curb weight was one of Fords bumper or bed delete trucks. The mags always seem to weigh them much heavier than Ford does.

    No Sunroof weighs 300lbs either. Nice try.
    GM has a history of weighing trucks without the rear bumper and also leaving it off (along with the side mirrors) in the overall dimensions. Kind of hard to call Ford out for doing the same.
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrehotrods View Post
    Hopefully they can stamp the aluminum better... and remove the waviness/distortion that seems to be prevalent in all the new F-150 doors.
    I've noticed this too. It's really really bad. It's like the 60s all over again.

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGinNC View Post
    GM has a history of weighing trucks without the rear bumper and also leaving it off (along with the side mirrors) in the overall dimensions. Kind of hard to call Ford out for doing the same.
    No.

    And it's common to give dimensions without the mirrors. It's not good or bad, its the size if the car.

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnough View Post
    Wouldn't be surprised if that curb weight was one of Fords bumper or bed delete trucks. The mags always seem to weigh them much heavier than Ford does.

    No Sunroof weighs 300lbs either. Nice try.
    Maybe not on its own...

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    Weighing in at 5,532 pounds, the 2015 Ford F-150 Platinum is only 330 pounds lighter than our 5,862-pound 2012 Ford F-150 Lariat 4x4 SuperCrew long-term tester with the same drivetrain. While Ford claims that a comparably equipped 2015 F-150 can weigh up to 700 pounds less than the outgoing model, our tester was equipped with weight adding features not available on the previous model, such as massaging seats, the panoramic moonroof, and a power inverter for the 110-volt, 400-watt outlets.
    This wasn't an apples to apples comparison and a lot of that confusion came from reviewers not
    testing like with like. An incorrect assumption regarding the validity of Ford claim then followed
    and was lapped up by critics.

    When it comes to fuel economy, the 6.2 4x4 Silverado 8-speed scores EPA Hwy at 21 mpg
    The corresponding Ecoboost 3.5 powered F150 scores 23 mpg, that's a 10% CAFE improvement
    Especially when 40-45% of F150s are so equipped and the 6.2 Silvy is very limited goods indeed..

    The best part for Ford is that by doing an Aluminum bodied F150 today, it will have achieved
    significant confidence and build maturity by the time GM begins it all new alloy bodies..
    All of this fun and games lies ahead for GM, they better not make any mistakes whatsoever..
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Butz View Post
    What's wrong with their current aluminum alloy?
    Well, Butz, you have to buy the truck to find out ; Duh!!

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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Greater strength an formability means that aluminum can now be used in areas
    where steel is currently required to form complex panels.

    Advanced aluminum products will overshadow GM's mixed material construction.

    "It's either the Aluminum Age or the Stone Age"
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    Re: How Ford and Alcoa Will Make the 2016 F-150 Even Lighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Butz View Post
    What's wrong with their current aluminum alloy?
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