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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by W.A.F.U. View Post
    What scares me is those are the things they cheaped out on that you can see. What did they cheap out on that you can't see?
    Everyone cuts costs when and where they can. Except Rolls Royce, Maybach, etc.

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    Couldn't that argument be used for a majority of auto manufacturers? Nothing very much scary about mid grade interior materials to me...
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    I might have to try it out. The Kia dealer did have some new Optimas in stock but no turbo models.
    Local guy has yet to see a turbo.

    Quote Originally Posted by ponchoman49 View Post
    Drove both a 2.0T Harbor gray Sonata with $2600 Nav/roof/sound system upgrade and floormats/ipod cable that stickered for 27715 and a crystal red 2LT Cruze loaded with roof/full size spare, 17" alloys, RS pkg, NAV/sound system and 2LT pkg that stickered for a shocking 26690, both at the same dealer. The Cruze was on sale for 25515 and the Sonata was 24999 with an additional 500 off if you show an in- household registration of another Hyundai model to the dealer meaning the Sonata turbo would have been 24499.

    The 2.0 liter turbo never reminded us of a V6 in the sound department but it's performance and fuel mileage were best in class for sure. We also noticed the torque steer somewhat in the midrange when all 274 horses were called on but it wasn't severe. The transmission was light years better than the terrible 6 speed in the Cruze and the poor 1.4 turbo doesn't even come close to feeling as powerful as even the base Sonata 200 HP SE we drove a few weeks before or the 2011 Optima for that matter. We liked the steering in the Cruze better and that car felt a tad more agile but the Sonata more than made up with it's more comfy seats, far greater back seat legroom, greater stretch out space and larger trunk. Both cars were equipped with Nav and sound system upgrade. We didn't mess with the Nav too much but sampled each sound system and each sounded very good with the 360 watt Dimension system in the Hyundai sounding a tad crisper at half volume compared to the Pioneer 250 watt setup in the Cruze. Both cars had a power driver seat but it was 6-way in the Cruze and 8-way in the Sonata. The Cruze countered with leather seats compared to the Sonata which used cloth middle inserts.

    Ironically both cars turned in nearly identical MPG numbers from the trip computers on the same exact route at 26.4 MPG with mid 20's temps. Not to turn this into a direct comparison of two different cars but the cheaper car ends up being the far better choice in our eyes.
    Those price points are pretty amazing. KIA offers $500 active duty military, competitor, and KIA-owner discounts, good through April 4. I'd be eligible for two of those, and IIRC could get a turbo (EX, not SX) for perhaps $23,200 (assuming a $1000-off sticker negotiation). Better drive one first.
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Isn't the current Malibu 3.6 faster than the Sonata Turbo?
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    Isn't the current Malibu 3.6 faster than the Sonata Turbo?
    I got lucky here and found something without searching for more than 3 minutes:

    We hit the test track then dug through our archive of comparison tests to find out.
    With a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds and quarter mile of 15.0 seconds at 94.7 mph, the Sonata 2.0T is legitimately quick. But the big surprise is how it completely embarrasses the all-new 2011 Buick Regal CXL. That premium-priced, turbo 2.0-liter is a full second behind at 60 mph and needs 15.7 seconds and 92.8 mph to finish the quarter mile.
    The Sonata turbo is also faster than the V-6 Ford Fusion Sport (6.8 sec/15.2 sec @ 94.0 mph) and splits times with the V-6 Honda Accord EX-L (6.5 sec/15.5 sec @ 95.5 mph), V-6 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ (6.5 sec/15.1 sec @ 93.7 mph) and Passat 2.0T (6.7 sec/15.0 sec @ 93.4 mph). Those times were pulled from comparison tests we did in the February 2008 and June 2008 issues.
    The Sonata turbo does not fare quite so well against its other V-6 rivals, however. Though the Sonata recently passed the Altima for the number-three spot in segment sales, the Nissan isn't that easy to pass on the road. The V-6-powered Altima SE we tested back in 2008 needed only 6.3 seconds to hit 60 and 14.8 seconds and 96.1 mph for the quarter mile.
    The Toyota Camry is faster still -- a 2007 SE model we tested laid down a 6.3-second blast to 60 and a 14.6-second quarter mile at 96.8 mph.

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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    Isn't the current Malibu 3.6 faster than the Sonata Turbo?
    Best times I've seen for an Epsilon I V-6 compared to the best times I've seen for the HK GDI Turbo twins are below. Vehicles specifically were the Saturn Aura XR and Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T.

    GM 3.6L :: HK 2.0T
    0-60: 6.2 :: 6.2
    0-100: 16.6 :: 15.1
    Quarter Mile: 14.9 @ 95 : 14.7 @ 99

    Looks as though the Hyundai-Kia 2.0Ts are quicker overall, but quite similar in what you might call a "stoplight" drag race.

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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Best times I've seen for an Epsilon I V-6 compared to the best times I've seen for the HK GDI Turbo twins are below. Vehicles specifically were the Saturn Aura XR and Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T.

    GM 3.6L :: HK 2.0T
    0-60: 6.2 :: 6.2
    0-100: 16.6 :: 15.1
    Quarter Mile: 14.9 @ 95 : 14.7 @ 99

    Looks as though the Hyundai-Kia 2.0Ts are quicker overall, but quite similar in what you might call a "stoplight" drag race.
    If you want to clean up with the turbo, race at 9000'.
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    The other issue is that the 2.0T pretty much destroys the MPG of the 3.6 V6.

    22/33 vs 17/26
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    The other issue is that the 2.0T pretty much destroys the MPG of the 3.6 V6.

    22/33 vs 17/26
    Rather. Jeez, that 3.6 is hardly better than my Poncho 5.3.

    And I'll take the 325 lb-ft of torque, if I have to eat it in the MPG department, thank you very much.
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    The other issue is that the 2.0T pretty much destroys the MPG of the 3.6 V6.

    22/33 vs 17/26
    That's terrible mileage. That mileage is comparable to V-8/twin-turbo V-6 versions of the Charger, Taurus, and Genesis. Even a big Avalon will clean up shop at 19/29 or 20/29, whatever it is rated for.

    But I fully expect the 12 Malibu to do better, as the LaCrosse FWD/3.6L combo already is good for 17/27.

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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I got lucky here and found something without searching for more than 3 minutes:

    We hit the test track then dug through our archive of comparison tests to find out.
    With a 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds and quarter mile of 15.0 seconds at 94.7 mph, the Sonata 2.0T is legitimately quick. But the big surprise is how it completely embarrasses the all-new 2011 Buick Regal CXL. That premium-priced, turbo 2.0-liter is a full second behind at 60 mph and needs 15.7 seconds and 92.8 mph to finish the quarter mile.
    The Sonata turbo is also faster than the V-6 Ford Fusion Sport (6.8 sec/15.2 sec @ 94.0 mph) and splits times with the V-6 Honda Accord EX-L (6.5 sec/15.5 sec @ 95.5 mph), V-6 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ (6.5 sec/15.1 sec @ 93.7 mph) and Passat 2.0T (6.7 sec/15.0 sec @ 93.4 mph). Those times were pulled from comparison tests we did in the February 2008 and June 2008 issues.
    The Sonata turbo does not fare quite so well against its other V-6 rivals, however. Though the Sonata recently passed the Altima for the number-three spot in segment sales, the Nissan isn't that easy to pass on the road. The V-6-powered Altima SE we tested back in 2008 needed only 6.3 seconds to hit 60 and 14.8 seconds and 96.1 mph for the quarter mile.
    The Toyota Camry is faster still -- a 2007 SE model we tested laid down a 6.3-second blast to 60 and a 14.6-second quarter mile at 96.8 mph.

    http://ettleson-hyundai.blogspot.com...ta-20t-is.html

    I read a Road and Track review of an LTZ road test...

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/up...let-malibu-ltz


    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Best times I've seen for an Epsilon I V-6 compared to the best times I've seen for the HK GDI Turbo twins are below. Vehicles specifically were the Saturn Aura XR and Hyundai Sonata SE 2.0T.

    GM 3.6L :: HK 2.0T
    0-60: 6.2 :: 6.2
    0-100: 16.6 :: 15.1
    Quarter Mile: 14.9 @ 95 : 14.7 @ 99

    Looks as though the Hyundai-Kia 2.0Ts are quicker overall, but quite similar in what you might call a "stoplight" drag race.

    Aura XR did it in 5.9 and the LTZ in 6.0 flat...


    http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/up...let-malibu-ltz
    http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/up...saturn-aura-xr



    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    If you want to clean up with the turbo, race at 9000'.

    Bye bye Sonata!


    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    The other issue is that the 2.0T pretty much destroys the MPG of the 3.6 V6.

    22/33 vs 17/26

    My friends Aura XR regularly gets 36 on the freeway. It's the city that rapes him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    That's terrible mileage. That mileage is comparable to V-8/twin-turbo V-6 versions of the Charger, Taurus, and Genesis. Even a big Avalon will clean up shop at 19/29 or 20/29, whatever it is rated for.

    But I fully expect the 12 Malibu to do better, as the LaCrosse FWD/3.6L combo already is good for 17/27.

    But the LaCrosse isn't really a ball of fire... (Like the Malibu is )
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Saturn Aura 3.6 was a nice car. I like it better than the turbo sonata. I'm sort of disappointed that the 274hp vehicle is not faster.

    Just an opinion but still a nice car.
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    36 MPG out of the V6 Aura? Is he using imperial gallons or going 55 MPH?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    I read a Road and Track review of an LTZ road test...

    But the LaCrosse isn't really a ball of fire... (Like the Malibu is )
    Interesting. The Malibu still loses after 60 mph or so, but that's pretty good nonethless. The problem is that the Malibu is well down on horsepower and weighs a good bit more. It's got a clean start that keeps it in the hunt to 60 mph and a similar or better quarter, but it is losing ground fast at that point (Malibu is no where near the near-100 mph trap of the Sonata, much less being three quarters of a second slower to 100 mph).

    Ball of fire? I don't follow.

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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post

    Bye bye Sonata!
    Actually the turbos will clean up at high altitude. Naturally aspirated have huge power losses at altitude.
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    36 MPG out of the V6 Aura? Is he using imperial gallons or going 55 MPH?

    On flat land going around 60-65, yes. Going 75+, no. The V6 Epsilons are only good on the interstate in the MPG department.



    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Interesting. The Malibu still loses after 60 mph or so, but that's pretty good nonethless. The problem is that the Malibu is well down on horsepower and weighs a good bit more. It's got a clean start that keeps it in the hunt to 60 mph and a similar or better quarter, but it is losing ground fast at that point (Malibu is no where near the near-100 mph trap of the Sonata, much less being three quarters of a second slower to 100 mph).

    Ball of fire? I don't follow.

    The Aura XR does 100 in 15.3 and the Sonata in 15.1. Not a huge difference, but that's where the 274 HP pays dividends. Oh, and the ball of fire was a joke, lol. Can the new Sonata eat an LX Hemi? The Malibu should however beat a Fusion Sport right?



    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Actually the turbos will clean up at high altitude. Naturally aspirated have huge power losses at altitude.

    Interesting...
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    Re: Hyundai Sonata 2.0T SE

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    The Aura XR does 100 in 15.3 and the Sonata in 15.1. Not a huge difference, but that's where the 274 HP pays dividends. Oh, and the ball of fire was a joke, lol. Can the new Sonata eat an LX Hemi? The Malibu should however beat a Fusion Sport right?
    It won't be eating any HEMIs anytime soon. MT clocked the 2011 300C at 14.0 sec in the quarter. It won't beat the Chrysler 200 either which does 14.9 sec in the quarter.


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